On 7/16/2018 2:31 PM, Quinn "The Eskimo!" wrote:
On 16 Jul 2018, at 22:04, James Walker <jam...@frameforge3d.com> wrote:

I read somewhere that AppKit did not support anything past TLS 1.0 until macOS 10.9 …
If by “AppKit” you mean “Secure Transport and everything layered on top of it, including Foundation URL loading, then yes, that’s correct.

Yeah, that's what I mean.  Clearly, my knowledge of networking is somewhat rudimentary.

But it my testing, it actually fails in macOS 10.9 and 10.10 too.

There are lots of reasons why a download might fail like this.  Even if you restrict yourself to TLS-related stuff, there’s still a bunch of possibilities.  What error did you get?
NSURLErrorSecureConnectionFailed.

Logging the NSError produces:

Error Domain=NSURLErrorDomain Code=-1200 "An SSL error has occurred and a secure connection to the server cannot be made." UserInfo=0x6080001bce00 {_kCFStreamErrorDomainKey=3, NSLocalizedRecoverySuggestion=Would you like to connect to the server anyway?, _kCFStreamErrorCodeKey=-9806, NSUnderlyingError=0x60800024f960 "An SSL error has occurred and a secure connection to the server cannot be made.", NSErrorPeerCertificateChainKey=(
), NSLocalizedDescription=An SSL error has occurred and a secure connection to the server cannot be made., NSErrorFailingURLKey=https://files.frameforge.com/webgrab/mac/ff4.0-mac-update-list.xml.wgz, NSErrorFailingURLStringKey=https://files.frameforge.com/webgrab/mac/ff4.0-mac-update-list.xml.wgz, NSErrorClientCertificateStateKey=0}

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