On Dec 23, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Scott Lewis wrote: > > Defend? No. There are tons of storage vendors. Apple isn't one. Few can be. > That's why lh, equallogic, Compellent and 3par have all been acquired in the > past few years.
Storage management is not a 3rd party solution. It is something Apple would have to provide. Very few people will trust logical volume management or a file system from a 3rd party. It's questionable at best if such a thing would have bootloader support. LVM is a kernel space implementation, it requires integration with a device mapper. To get real management also means online volume resizing, online relocation of data from one drive to another, and snapshots. I can't imagine a 3rd party touching this who does not have the ability to issue a custom kernel. > > Tons of NAS options too.Come on, I have 6tb and that's just because I have > too many movies and tv shows. Iomega, Promise and dozens of other SoHo NAS > devices are out there with 4-8 bays. On the higher end EMC has stuff at 10k > with SAN, NAS and more, expandable to crazy levels of storage. These are work arounds for deficiencies in the OS, they are not solutions for the deficiency. Users should have lvm on Mac OS. Apple is obviously working on it to some degree in CoreStorage, but the commands are useless for anything but creating a FileVault 2 volume. You have it on a NAS because you want it shared among multiple computers, or because you need 6TB of storage and you have no other way to do it because Mac OS simply doesn't have the tools that the dinky linux/BSD OS on the NAS does to work the way it does? For video, a NAS is slow unless you invest in 10Gb ethernet. It's why that market tends to prefer DAS or SANs, not NAS. Even for photographers working on 1-2 gigabyte images, a 1Gb NAS can seem slow. The NAS is legitimate but it is a workaround for a problem that has better solutions, if Apple provided them. And that NAS probably consolidates storage using LVM. > >>> Not asking for it. Not expecting it. I'm suggesting they are way behind >>> when it comes to storage management and file systems. > > They werent ready for prime time for years with dtp after os x shipped too > according to some. And it still isn't when it comes to color managed printing to an inkjet printer with a manufacturer print driver. > > They are ahead right where it counts: margin and increasing market share. Yeah OK, this is a "sit down, shut up, and eat your cereal" mentality. Nothing else matters but the bottom line. That's a fair position to take, but it's out of scope for the subject and the list IMO. The issue here is what Apple is not doing for it's customers on a technical level, not how much money they can still make while feeding us sour chicken. > > They may not play in the storage market, but it hasn't slowed them down. This is hardly a free market. There aren't many choices, let alone perfect ones. Most of Apple's success and market share has to do with iThat. Not Mac OS. Mac OS's foundation is languishing. This is not just an enterprise problem. It affects anyone who wants more than one disk attached storage. Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ MacOSX-admin mailing list [email protected] http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-admin
