tried to syntax-check this JAPH of Abigail's and MacPerl not only choked on it but started writing itty-bitty lines of nonsense graphical data to the center of the screen. sub f{sprintf$_[0],$_[1],$_[2]}print f('%c%s',74,f('%c%s',117,f('%c%s',115,f('%c%s',116,f('%c%s',32,f('%c%s',97,f ('%c%s',0x6e,f('%c%s',111,f('%c%s',116,f('%c%s',104,f('%c%s',0x65,f('%c%s',1 14,f('%c%s',32,f('%c%s',80,f('%c%s',101,f('%c%s',114,f('%c%s',0x6c,f('%c%s', 32,f('%c%s',0x48,f('%c%s',97,f('%c%s',99,f('%c%s',107,f('%c%s',101,f('%c%s', 114,f('%c%s',10,))))))))))))))))))))))))) Had to force-shutdown the Mac, and lost my place in c.l.p.m. cuz I haden't saved the groups file (since I was in the middle of reading) hehe argh! -- Scott R. Godin | e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laughing Dragon Services | web : http://www.webdragon.net/