On Aug 21, 2007, at 20:52, Stephen Bannasch wrote:
At 5:24 PM -0500 8/21/07, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
On Aug 21, 2007, at 16:49, Stephen Bannasch wrote:
Is there a better way to have code built from source in /usr/
local and other code built with ports (that use some libraries in
common) and not have them interact without temporarily renaming /
usr/local?
No... I recommend you have nothing directly in /usr/local. If
possible, install that software with MacPorts as well. If no
portfiles exist, you could write them and contribute them to the
project. Portfiles are fairly easy to write. You can look at how
the existing portfiles are written, or read the new manual that's
being developed.
Thanks for responding Ryan.
Oh dear ... that's sounds like a bunch of work ... but I'll
consider it.
Most of what I've got in /usr/local I could get through ports. I've
got two basic questions:
1) If I install ruby with port will the ruby libraries I then
install with ruby gems compile their native extensions correctly?
This is a specific case of the more general issue where I use port
to install an environment that then expects to be able to run it's
own package management system and compile code using shared libraries.
I don't know; I don't use ruby. Maybe someone else can help. I'm sure
I've heard talk of ruby gems on this list before. You could search
the archives.
2) When I am playing or working with some bleeding edge software
checked out from a repository (Ruby 1.9, Rubinus, etc) normally it
would normally be setup to install itself in /usr/local. Where
would I install it instead? This might be software that I
regularly 'svn up' and make -- I don't assume I'd install it in /
opt/local -- I assume that the software in that tree would only be
managed through port.
Anywhere other than /usr/local. For example, /usr/local/ruby would be
ok. Or /myruby. Or wherever. Just not /usr/local because gcc always
checks there first.
Also, sometimes we have *-devel ports for new unfinished versions of
software. (For example, we currently have mutt-devel, mysql5-devel,
php5-devel, etc.) You (or the ruby maintainer) could create a ruby-
devel port if that's desired.
I checked the wiki for information on my questions:
http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/wiki
In the FAQ page:
Why is /opt/local the default install location for MacPorts?
/opt/local was chosen so as to avoid stomping on other various
installations (e.g. fink uses /sw to do the same); /usr/local is
not a viable choice for several reasons:
1. Some software (especially auto* tools from Gnu) look in /usr/
local as a default location, which means MacPorts can't be easily
isolated when needed
2. /usr/local is usually reserved for the given system's admin to
install items local to that system, and tends to be a bad choice
to have taken over by a non-system port system
3. gcc considers /usr/local to be a standard system directory,
causing (at least) the include directory to be unable to appear
early in the list of include directories, and hence causing
MacPorts-installed items to be difficult to use properly for items
which need them (where another version is installed elsewhere,
like /usr/X11R6)
I'm not sure exactly what #3 is saying but it sounds like it's
related to the root problem about why port has problems with
parallel libraries installed in /usr/local -- when port is using
gcc to compile it's applications and libraries it can't tell gcc to
ignore /usr/local.
Right. gcc automatically checks /usr/local. We don't want that, but
don't yet know how to suppress it.
I thought I'd read up on the issues but the link mentioned here:
Some responses concerning /usr/local have been aired on the
mailing list over time.
http://www.opendarwin.org/pipermail/darwinports/2004-May/021190.html
Is a dead link -- I suppose I could use the Wayback Machine to find
the thread ... sigh
Right, sorry. opendarwin is dead.
Understanding these issues better might help me answer my second
question.
Also the links to "Documentation" don't open ...? Example:
http://www.darwinports.org/docs/ch03s05.html
Right, sorry. The old darwinports.org site is dead. The guide is
being rewritten. These links in the FAQ should probably be replaced
or removed.
Earlier I had installed specific versions of APR, SVN, SQLite, and
the Python bindings in order to run Trac (not using port) an the
Trac doc was very specific about compatible versions but this
caveat worries me:
Is it possible to have a dependency on a specific variant of
another port? E.g. "postgresql8 +server"?
No. The current state of the dependency engine is unable to handle
specifying anything beyond "port X requires port Y" or "port X
requires a file which can be provided by port Y." There have been
discussions on revamping the engine (see the mailing list
archives) but nothing concrete as yet. This is why the most useful
variants really shouldn't be variants at all but rolled into the
port itself.
There are two basic ways to answer my question about ruby installed
with port. Install another copy of MacOS somewhere and try it ...
or ... figure out what the ruby port does. I couldn't find much
documentation in the wiki about how the portfiles themselves.
Where the best root for the documentation which would tell me where
the ruby portfile is defined and how to interpret what it does?
You can find where the ruby portfile is by typing "port file ruby".
You can see it in your preferred editor by typing "port edit ruby".
You can show it in the terminal by typing "port cat ruby". You can
learn who the maintainer of the ruby port is by typing "port info
ruby". You can contact the maintainer if you have questions about
specific things the portfile does.
I need Ruby 1.8.5-p12 installed because there are some serious bugs
in 1.8.6. The only portfile listed for Ruby is 1.8.6. Can I make a
local repository of portfiles and adapt the 1.8.6 portfile to
install the version of 1.8.5 I need instead?
Yes, you could do this. You could also look in the MacPorts
Subversion repository and see if and older version of the portfile
was ever written for 1.8.5-p12, and if so, use that. (I checked:
there was such a version: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/
macports/browser/trunk/dports/lang/ruby/Portfile?rev=21127 )
I'm sure this is possible but where is it documented?
The guide is being rewritten and is currently available in its
unfinished form at:
http://geeklair.net/new_macports_guide/
When I built Ruby myself I used these parameters to config:
--prefix=/usr/local
--enable-pthread
--with-readline-dir=/usr/local
--enable-shared
I'd like to be able to see if the ruby portfile uses equivalent
parameters (obviously readline would be pointed elsewhere.
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