Can't agree more with Jordan. I just raised this question to know if I'm doing something wrong or 32mb is the right size. I already read the sources of MacRuby and I hope to help in near future (my C and ObjC isn't so good).
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Jordan K. Hubbard <j...@apple.com> wrote: > Folks, I think everyone needs to also put this into perspective. We have a > very finite amount of engineering resources to devote to MacRuby development > (as anyone who has followed the mailing list for the last year or so already > knows) and we don't even run Rails yet. In the grander scheme of things, we > have a lot more work to do in making MacRuby run *correctly* for all > reasonable values of correctly before worrying about size and performance. > As the old saying goes, "first make it work, then make it work fast [or > small]". We're not quite at the stage where MacRuby fully works in all > scenarios that Ruby 1.8 / Ruby 1.9 does, and that has to take priority here! > Simply chiming in with "Me too! Me too! Make it smaller!" is not > particularly helpful here unless you're ALSO volunteering to do the > engineering work involved. Who's volunteering? :-) > > - Jordan > > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:05 AM, robert gleeson wrote: > > I agree, 100%, with Dave Baldwin. It would be nice to see the overall size > of a MacRuby application reduced to somewhere between 5-8MB because of the > reasons he listed. I don't think MacRuby can be a big player until we can > distribute smaller apps. > > Rob > > On 15 Apr 2010, at 09:35, Dave Baldwin wrote: > > > On 14 Apr 2010, at 19:47, Daniel Lopes wrote: > > Ops, sorry... small typo == isn't a big issue. Nobody cares for 10mb or > 30mb today. > > > I disagree strongly. I have not downloaded apps because their size seems > way out of kilter with the functionality they offer. Who wants to support > gratuitous bloatware? > > Download size is important" > 1. Not everyone is on broadband. > 2. Many people do not download via a landline - i.e. use the mobile or > cell network > 3. Many people have some cap on the amount they can download per month. > 4. If I am hosting the sale of an app I don't want to pay pay for more > bandwidth than needed as there is a per purchase multiplier in there. > 5. If MacRuby has any aspirations to running on the iPhone OS then the > available memory on these devices is limited so 30MB (or whatever) for a > trivial app is way larger than the current sub MB these type of apps > currently take. > > The size issue will go away if Apple includes MacRuby and its support > frameworks as standard in the OS(es) but until these become the norm it is > worth finding solutions to at least minimise the impact. > > Dave. > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Matt Aimonetti > <mattaimone...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Daniel, can you explain why you think it's a big issue? Maybe we can help >> with some temporary solutions. >> >> - Matt >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Daniel Lopes <danielvlo...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Thanks Laurent, but I also think the size of apps in Mac dev is a big >>> issue. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Gary Weaver <gary.wea...@duke.edu>wrote: >>> >>>> Laurent, >>>> >>>> Thanks! That is awesome! >>>> >>>> Will this reduce the footprint of HotCocoa apps as well? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 9, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Laurent Sansonetti wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Daniel, >>>> >>>> As Matt said, it is possible to trim out your .app bundle to only ship >>>> what's really needed. If you do not need the standard library and >>>> extensions, removing them might free some memory. I believe the min. size >>>> is >>>> about 20MB then (I'm not exactly certain though), for both 32-bit and >>>> 64-bit >>>> Intel architectures. Of course removing 32-bit will free another 10MB. >>>> >>>> There is an effort for the next release (0.7) to prepare a (much) >>>> smaller runtime used during static AOT compilation. The resulted binary >>>> would not contain LLVM code, and some Ruby features would also not be >>>> available. I estimate the binary size to then be a couple of MBs (maybe >>>> less), but this is an estimation :-) >>>> >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Daniel Lopes wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, this is my first post here and I am new in the Apple Dev/MacRuby. >>>> I don't know if this the right mailing list, I don't found any other in the >>>> MacRuby site related to questions about development. So, if this mail isn't >>>> appropriate here please let me know. Some days ago, in a sample app, I >>>> tried >>>> to embed the MacRuby Framework to distribute the app as a standalone >>>> package >>>> but the size of the app became huge. There is some effort to make the >>>> embedded framework smaller or any tip/tricks that I should do to get small >>>> apps? Or all my apps will have 34mb? 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