Ryan, excellent description and you are right on target, that was the point I was trying to make. :) On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Ryan Dour wrote:
> As a great example, an app like Boxee would be amazing with self > voicing menus. Boxee is a media center app like FrontRow, but able > to do much more. However, that doesn't help any of us, as it doesn't > have hooks for Voiceover. The interface is not one that uses > standard windows and objects. It is more like the menus found in > video games, never the same twice and graphically intense. I believe > a self voicing approach is necessary in cases like these. In > standard apps, such as Skype, Pages, Safari, etc, Voiceover helps > unify what already should be considered common controls and > interfaces. A table in Skype looks very similar to a table in Mail, > and that's what makes a Mac app so appealing. When people follow the > look and feel of the OS, it helps cut down on the learning curve for > the user. > > Ryan > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > >> very good points chris, i agree. Though the self voicing option >> isn't a 100% thing, in some apps it would truly be nice. >> mike >> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: >> >>> I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system >>> preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if >>> needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self >>> voicing feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, >>> great, if not, he or she still can do what needs to be done. >>> Also, I would make your labels for the U I, very discriptive but >>> yet maybe slightly shorter for the interface that is viewed via a >>> braille display. This way the point is made but only the >>> absolutely necessary amount of cells are used, this way providing >>> more room for other things, such as the value of the U I control. >>> I may also advise you write your programs in cocoe as I hear that >>> language is very very voice over friendly. Finally maybe provide >>> an option for the program to be able to enable magnification in >>> the program for low vision usersw. Also maybe provide an option >>> to turn the programs st. >>> >>> This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself >>> who are nearly compltely total. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> >>> Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. >>> My twitter URL is: >>> >>> http://twitter.com/chris28210 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Martin Pilkington >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25 PM >>> Subject: Understanding Blind User's Needs >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a >>> software developer on the Mac. I'm sta bility push and I'm trying >>> to get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this >>> push is a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by >>> the end of 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: >>> >>> 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly >>> as the visual UI. >>> 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. >>> 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. >>> 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI >>> fields with the keyboard. >>> 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the >>> mouse. >>> >>> Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't >>> got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help >>> me. Are there any other major points you would say an application >>> needs to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would >>> like to find in an application as a user with a visual impairme e >>> standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a >>> full text description of the current window and how to use it, at >>> any point in the application >>> >>> Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my >>> pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But >>> getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. >>> The most important piece is understanding exactly what your >>> current problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so >>> any feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Martin Pilkington >>> Writer of Weird Symbols >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> >>> Michael Babcock >>> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >>> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 4121 >>> email: [email protected] >>> administrative e-mail: [email protected] >>> url: http://gwhosting.net >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
