I think he's talking about a window description a bit more in depth than just an inquiry into the name of the window/application in focus. Like "tool bar with such and such buttons, side bar to the left with source items, main view to the right with such and such." Is that right? I think generally the people here are used to just exploring around an application window, finding things as they go. Tool bars, and side bars, and main views tend to be described as such when the VO cursor is moved over them… like with iTunes for your example.
This email just to point out a potential confusion that we might be having. Certainly we've never had an application that would give the user such a description up front and I'm sure this would or is coming up against different perspectives, the view of those who are a bit newer to computers and or voiceover and who like listening to human sounding voices more, and those who have more experience, coming from the dark ages (2001), when synthesized speech sounded robotic and spoke fast, who feel like they could just view the window faster by listening to their faster speech and quickly navigating over its elements. You may be surprised at how quickly one can get the layout of an application interface this way. But in the end none of us have seen such a thing before, and certainly there's no reason to write it off as unnecessary/redundant when there is someone who feels like giving it a try. Lol who knows maybe it'll catch on. Maybe if you sort of incorperated this "description" as a sort of user guide, as alternative to, say, a video which would show a sighted user the interface. Regards Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 09/03/2009, a las 13:07, David Poehlman escribió: > > this is not a bug. apple write drivers for displays themselves. the > display is handled through the driver and tightly integrated into > voiceover. the only thing you could offer would be a choice of short > or long labels. > > as to my response to the summarization of what is on the screen, see > vo-f1 and vo-f2 > On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: > > Hi David, > > Could you tell me how to get this overview of the current window? What > I'm proposing is something that will be in more natural english than > what voice over usually does. As for the braille display detection, > I'll look into filing a bug with Apple to see if they will look into > this for a future OS version. > > Thanks > > --------------------------------- > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 6:26 am, David Poehlman wrote: > >> >> we already have this in vo. >> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >> >> Hi Tiffany, >> >> This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of overview >> giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up at >> any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically >> for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where >> when >> navigating and how it works. >> >> Thanks >> >> --------------------------------- >> Martin Pilkington >> Writer of Weird Symbols >> pi...@mcubedsw.com >> >> >> On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:43 am, Tiffany D wrote: >> >>> As for what I'd like to see, I'd love >>> there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the >>> applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to >>> use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the >>> answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is >>> accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
