Hello John and Matthew,

This has been posted to the list before (by Jonathan?), but there is a  
TidBITS article by the author of the "Take Control of Apple Mail in  
Leopard" guide that explains the way that Gmail works.  It's called  
"Achieving Email Bliss with IMAP, Gmail, and Apple Mail" and can be  
found at:

http://db.tidbits.com/article/10253

One of the features of the Gmail "flavor" of using IMAP, is that Gmail  
doesn't use different mailboxes or folders per se -- instead, it  
assigns multiple tags or labels.  The problem of getting labels-as- 
mailboxes to sync locally and also to archive mail is described in  
detail in this rather long article.  This is also behind the issue of  
why messages you post to the list don't show up in a list mailbox.   
There's a final section on "How to Configure Everything for Maximum  
Happiness" if you want to skip past all the explanations.  This  
describes the way the author has set up his own Gmail account.  There  
are other described setups and explanations floating around the net.  
For example, there is this article from the ExpanDrive blog titled  
"Setup Gmail IMAP, Mail.app, and the iPhone with Archive":

http://blog.expandrive.com/2008/11/17/setup-gmail-imap-mailapp-and-the-iphone-with-archive/

The salient feature of this set up is that everything the author  
"deletes" locally gets archived forever on Gmail.  (I'm pretty sure  
that most of you don't want to set up your accounts that way).  Here's  
his description:
<begin quote>
I’m going to explain how to setup Gmail to work the right way with  
Mail.app and the iPhone. “Right”, of course, means “the way I want it  
to work.” In particular, this means that I want “deleting” something  
in my client to make it “archived” in Gmail for eternity. I almost  
never want an email to be deleted forever. I also want Sent Messages  
and Drafts to work in a reasonable way, but delete -> archive is the  
big one for me.
<end quote>
One of the tricky items of this article is that the author includes  
a .png graphic of his settings, however, if you read the text, he is  
using all the same settings that are recommended by Gmail in the link  
he gives, except for changing their "Sent" mail option to store sent  
mail on the server and never delete it.  Similarly, for the iPhone  
setup in the Advanced menu for his selected mail account, he is  
changing the settings to keep deleted mail on his iPhone and never  
remove them.

Both these articles, their links, and the comments that follow them  
made for interesting reading, but I would stick to Joe Kissell's  
TidBITS article if you want to "achieve Email bliss".  And if you want  
to read the TidBITS Talk discussion comments here's the link that  
comes up so that you don't have to run a search on their site:

http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/2639

Note that the TidBITS Talk page only shows the most recent posts on  
this fairly active thread for comments.  If you want to start reading  
comments from the beginning, look for the "All Messages" link, and VO- 
Space on that.

Cheers,

Esther

This was also interesting to read, and

On Aug 26, 2009, John JD Denning wrote:

>
> Interesting, I have the reverse. I see folders I didn't create and
> would rather not have. I just created my gmail account recently. I'm
> used to IMAP with my mobileme acct and Outlook at work. But Gmail
> seems to have a mind of it's own.
>
> I have two folders that I can see, nothing new shows in them until I
> select them, then they populate. Things get sent to the SPAM folder
> and there is no rime or reason, and no filter that I can find doing  
> it.
>
> I post to this list, it doesn't show up in the list mailbox I have. It
> does show up in All Mail, and sent. OK I see why it shows up in sent,
> but it should also show as an incoming email on the group.
>
> Guess I have to read more of the help files, is there one titled,
> "black art of Gmail."
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at matthew dyer wrote:
>
>>
>> Good morning all,  I went and created folders as well as filteras for
>> some of the messages I am getting.  The problem is that in mail I do
>> not see them in the mail boxes tabole.  If I go to move a message to
>> one of thoughes mail boxes they show up but not in the mailboxes
>> table.  Is there anything I need to do in mail tio fix this>?   
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> You can lead a heart to love, but you can't make it fall.
>>
>> MSN/e-mail:  [email protected]
>> AIM:  mattdy1
>> skype: graduater2004.
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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