me either but I trust no one at this juncture!
***
"Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
forgotten this."
On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Kristeen Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think and hope that Apple remains more committed to accessibility. I
> haven't seen any indication that they are not.
>
> Kristeen
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:54 PM, Kerri <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Kristeen:
>> I must agree other than the fact that I didn't work for microsoft. the
>> only issue I see is that if apple ever decides to no longer support voice
>> over, we're sunk!
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Kristeen Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from the
>>> windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and so had
>>> to believe in something that provided me with my bread and butter, and of
>>> course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any windows system with
>>> great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, although it is better in
>>> versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing issues than Mac. Some of it,
>>> probably most of it, is due to the fact the the screen reading software is
>>> separate from the os. this has always caused instability and i don't see
>>> that changing any time soon.
>>>
>>> When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and Mobile
>>> speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the iOS. I,
>>> and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes and lock-ups
>>> and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of times even in a
>>> day.
>>>
>>> I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to
>>> give them up.
>>>
>>> . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of view, i
>>> have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a windows
>>> laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk.
>>>
>>> i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how voiceover
>>> works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very different on the
>>> mac or os side.
>>>
>>> speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the first
>>> week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has my mbp
>>> slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? yes, but
>>> it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits.
>>>
>>> my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in
>>> general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really bad
>>> about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i
>>> maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ...
>>>
>>> the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you
>>> continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the whole
>>> concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still am not
>>> fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step to access
>>> some things using voice over. once you get used to it though and combine
>>> quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list a ton of stupid
>>> questions, :) you'll be fine.
>>>
>>> i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's
>>> fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some time
>>> and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all instructions,
>>> podcasts and other things about switching, commands and apps.
>>> jenine stanley
>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> hello scott,
>>>
>>> you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you will
>>> have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having said this
>>> let me first tell you that ever since i switched to using a mac more than 3
>>> years ago i have become probably one of the biggest apple fan boys that
>>> there is, so my thoughts on this subject are going to have a strong apple
>>> bias to them.
>>>
>>> if you are wanting a computing environment that is very stable compared
>>> to what you are currently getting on the windows platform then in my
>>> opinion you would be very happy with a mac.
>>>
>>> the instability of my windows computer is exactly what helped me to make
>>> the decision to make the switch over 3 years ago.
>>>
>>> i used to have to restart my windows computer several times a day and now
>>> that i am on a mac i hardly ever need to reboot.
>>>
>>> you will notice that i said "hardly." i have had to restart my mac once in
>>> a while due to lost speech or something, but as i stated with the use the
>>> word hardly this does not happen with any regularity.
>>>
>>> now having said all of this let me give you a little word of caution about
>>> switching platforms. i teach blind people who make this switch how to use
>>> their macs for a company called fedora outlier, llc and one the biggest
>>> mistakes that people make is thinking that switching from a windows
>>> computer over to a mac computer is going to be easy.
>>>
>>> it isn't as easy as one might think. after all you are going to have to
>>> learn how to use a totally different operating system and a new and
>>> different screen reader.
>>>
>>> now having said this if you are determined to learn the new platform and
>>> you do it correctly by this i mean that you don't try and learn everything
>>> in one day you can definitely learn how to use a mac very quickly.
>>>
>>> one more thing. in response to your question as to whether or not a mac is
>>> more stable than a windows computer. remember earlier when i said that when
>>> i was still using a windows computer i would have to restart the computer
>>> several times a day, well with my current mac which is 2012 mac book pro
>>> with 4 gigabytes of ram i haven't had to restart it in about 2 weeks. my
>>> mac is on 24 hours a day. during the day when i am working i am actually
>>> using it, and at night the mac will just sleep, but it hasn't been turned
>>> off in at least 2 weeks now and voiceover is running flawlessly .
>>>
>>> i hope that all of this helps you with your decision and if you need
>>> anything else please just ask.
>>>
>>> have a great day,
>>>
>>> scott rumery
>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 11:44 am, scott duck <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi everyone,
>>>
>>> as i said previously, i am thinking about getting a mac and the main reason
>>> is that i am tired of the increasing instability of the pc environment. my
>>> first question is, is this really different on a mac?
>>>
>>> i am using jaws 15 with windows 8. both are not all that stable. i have
>>> been a jaws user for 17 years and i have noticed a definite progressive
>>> increase in instability with the last few releases. jaws crashes
>>> frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when
>>> errors occur with other applications. then, there's windows 8. i don't
>>> mind the windows 8 interface but several times per week, i will have a
>>> problem that requires me to restart my computer. i did not have that
>>> nearly as much with windows 7. also, it isn't unusual for me to install a
>>> program which will, either directly or through add ins, make windows and/or
>>> jaws more unstable. i then have to decide rather the additional
>>> functionality is worth the increased instability. i'm just tired of all
>>> the crashes and reboots and having to use three or four screen readers
>>> because i have to run one when another one crashes.
>>>
>>> by contrast, my iphone and ipad, while not perfect, are certainly more
>>> stable. voiceover seldom just stops working. of course, every single app
>>> is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems with
>>> an app are almost always confined only to that app. when an app crashes,
>>> it usually does not also cause voiceover or the device to crash. is this
>>> also true of the mac?
>>>
>>> i have certainly used technology enough to know that none of it is perfect.
>>> however, i would like something that is better than the pc, when it comes
>>> to stability. over all, in your experience, is the mac more stable?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> scott duck
>>>
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