I Gree. WHy not spend 30-50 bucks for a nice voice and give them NVDA? Best,
Erik Burggraaf Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2014-04-01, at 11:28 PM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: > That's horrible. Why in the world, Window-eyes? I'd put that below System > Access even, although Wineyes does work with, Thurderbird at least. But > still, giving us computers without training is like giving us cars. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Apr 1, 2014, at 21:53, Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, but there are some folks who could get by with an IOS device only. If >> you do wanted BARD, email, and the ability to write text files, you could >> very easily just use your iPhone, maybe with a keyboard. I know a blind gal >> right now that, if she got a computer, would be better off with an iPhone >> instead of what she might be about to do because somebody is talking her >> into it. >> >> There is an organization here in Texas that gives away Windows computers to >> blind people. Sounds real good right? The only thing is that they are giving >> these computers to blind people that are unable to get them through the >> state and in most cases, as far as I can tell, usually people with very low >> income. However, there's no training, and they are giving them to people, >> for the most part, who know nothing about computers. They come right out and >> say that you have to have someone on hand to help you learn your system >> because they don't do it. The other thing they do is to put the demo version >> of WindowEyes in the computer, and then the receivers of these computers >> that they will need to get WindowEyes when the time runs out. >> >> My friend is considering this, and I told her to make sure that the person >> that was helping her get this computer was going to hebbp her later, and I >> warned her about getting WindowEyes later. She could NVDA in there, but then >> she would have to to learn a new screen reader, and this lady knows just >> about nothing concerning computers. I'm glad she told me she was thinking >> about it. >> >> If she were to get an IOS device, she wouldn't have this problem. In fact, >> she wouldn't have this problem if this same organization would figure out a >> way to give some of these people Macs. At least they wouldn't have to get >> screen reader software later. I recently heard a talk given by a >> representative of this organization, and I asked him if they would be >> receptive to other computers. He said yes, but then he sort blew off my >> concerns when I started to mention the issues above. >> >> Regards, >> Gigi >> >> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Josh Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, If I may, and no disrespect, but a computer is still needed for some >>> things that a tablet or smart phone cannot currently do. Having said that, >>> I will give you that these devices can do a heck of a lot more than they >>> could several years ago. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, erik burggraaf <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc these >>>> days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform really well. >>>> >>>> I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a PC >>>> these days. Having said that, this will be my last ever mac. When it is >>>> ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal computer itself >>>> will be on the longtail and it just won't make any sense to invest in >>>> another personal computer, mac or PC. In fact, an increasing number of my >>>> clients are just as effective on a tablet or smart phone as they are on a >>>> computer, and it meets all of their day to day computing needs very well, >>>> including: email, web browsing, web applications such as apps and mobile >>>> banking, OCR reading, bar code identification diabetes and other medical >>>> monitoring, non-verbal communication, literature access in braille, large >>>> print and audio, and more. The world of office tasks has now opened up to >>>> us using IOS 7 and android 4.4. Several printing solutions are accessible >>>> including the samsung one that I am currently using. Simple audio >>>> production tasks are viable. And we have access to features that aren't >>>> really viable on pc's such as security systems management, and GPS >>>> navigation. Soon we'll have micro-location support and many other >>>> opportunities that will encourage us to leave the desktop/laptop world >>>> behind. It may behoove you to simply invest more time learning IOS and >>>> picking up apps and accessories that enrich your experience in the mobile >>>> world, rather than investing in a switch to an expensive new technology >>>> that will be obsolete in three years. We are just now stepping inside the >>>> time frame where cost vs efficiency of PC systems is about to become a >>>> serious concern in the consumer market. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Erik Burggraaf >>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>>> >>>> On 2014-04-01, at 5:24 PM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I find the mac to be very stable, certainly far less problems than with >>>>> windows. It's not perfect, no platform is, but I have 3 macs and have no >>>>> desire to switch back to a PC. >>>>> Original message: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>> >>>>>> As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main >>>>>> reason is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC >>>>>> environment. My first question is, is this really different on a Mac? >>>>> >>>>>> I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8. Both are not all that stable. I have >>>>>> been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite progressive >>>>>> increase in instability with the last few releases. JAWS crashes >>>>>> frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when >>>>>> errors occur with other applications. Then, there's Windows 8. I don't >>>>>> mind the Windows 8 interface but several times per week, I will have a >>>>>> problem that requires me to restart my computer. I did not have that >>>>>> nearly as much with Windows 7. Also, it isn't unusual for me to install >>>>>> a program which will, either directly or through add ins, make Windows >>>>>> and/or JAWS more unstable. I then have to decide rather the additional >>>>>> functionality is worth the increased instability. I'm just tired of all >>>>>> the crashes and reboots and having to use three or four screen readers >>>>>> because I have to run one when another one crashes. >>>>> >>>>>> By contrast, my iPhone and iPad, while not perfect, are certainly more >>>>>> stable. VoiceOver seldom just stops working. Of course, every single app >>>>>> is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems >>>>>> with an app are almost always confined only to that app. When an app >>>>>> crashes, it usually does not also cause VoiceOver or the device to >>>>>> crash. Is this also true of the Mac? >>>>> >>>>>> I have certainly used technology enough to know that none of it is >>>>>> perfect. However, I would like something that is better than the PC, >>>>>> when it comes to stability. 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