I am assuming this comes down to the various ways that people carry out tasks on the Mac. I simply expand conversations with the right arrow and open any message I want to read. I use VO-j at times, but do not have problems with it. What Mavericks did fix is the use of the tab key. This gets me between the messages and other tables.
Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain Lion AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 16, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > Hi John. I see Alex has already answered on the collapsed disclosure triangle > annoyance. You can get around it by setting verbosity to low, but then you > miss badge information, and if you use an activity to narrow low verbosity to > Mail, those of us who don't use Alex run into the delay bug where switching > apps out of an app affected by an activity takes an extremely long time. > I use VO-J with conversations enabled in the modern view because pressing > Return to open the message is far too verbose for my tastes. You have to sit > through too much verbiage before the body of the message. VO-J is faster. > Trouble is, since Mavericks, sometimes the first press of VO-J yields > results, other times you have to press it three times because the first press > does nothing. > None of these issues existed in ML. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > > On 16/05/2014, at 11:18 am, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Jonathan, >> Out of curiosity, what is happening with the disclosure triangles or VO-j >> commands. I don't think I'm experiencing this, but I am using the standard >> view with conversation threading enabled. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain >> Lion >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> >> On May 15, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: >> >>> None of the accessibility annoyances in Mail are fixed as far as I can >>> tell. The collapsed disclosure triangle bug still exists and so does the >>> unreliable VO-J. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org >>> >>> On 16/05/2014, at 5:19 am, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> 10.9.3 just dropped. No word on accessibility improvements, but it does >>>> restore locally syncing Calendars and Contacts without needing iCloud. Now >>>> that the beta is over, I can tell you all that, during my testing, every >>>> bug you asked me to look at remained not fixed, and I did report each one. >>>> Perhaps they are fixed in the final version, which I do not yet have, >>>> though, so don't lose hope just yet. As usual with minor updates, there >>>> are no big changes or new features in VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Alex Hall >>>> mehg...@icloud.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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