If you want to spend more time on this issue, you can do this, copyied from internet/mac support forum and a link: If your doing a complete drive reformat, this includes/deletes ALL the partitions on the drive including 1: EFI (hidden) 2: MacintoshHD partition (OS X, programs and files) 3: Bootcamp partition 4: RecoveryHD To do this you hold commmand option r keys down and boot the Mac into Internet Recovery which loads from Apple's servers. Next you select your internal boot drive on the left in Disk Utiliy, click Partition and 1, Option: GUID, Format: OS X Extended Journaled and click Apply. All the partitions will be erased. If you have a boot hard drive (no SSD), it's a good idea to also Erase > and move the slider one spot to the right (Zero) and also do that. to map off bad sectors on the drive before putting data on them. Quit and install OS X with your AppleID and password, then upgrade later. If you don't have Internet Recovery, you use the 10.6 install disks and hold c or option/alt to boot from those and do the same thing. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5141154?tstart=0
Take care 8. juni 2014 kl. 22:16 skrev Alex Hall <[email protected]>: I thought about doing that from a Thunderbolt drive, which should also give me the speeds necessary. No matter what, I’ll end up dumping $150-$200 into it, and I was hoping to just use this machine (and not spend money on it) until I could get a personal Macbook. Ah well, what are you gonna do? Thanks again for all your hep. On Jun 8, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > Yeah, that click sound is usually the sound of death for an HD. You could > still use the Mini without attempting to install a new internal HD by > installing Mavericks on an external and running your Mini from the external > HD. If your Mini is one of the older ones with Firewire capability, a > Firewire drive has much better transfer speed than an external USB drive so > performance would be better. > > Later… > . > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jun 8, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I ran a verify on the Macintosh HD partition; not ten seconds in, Disk >> Utility stopped verifying and told me to repair using the Recovery HD again. >> Plus, during those ten seconds, the actual drive made that horrible sound - >> a soft click, a second of whirring, then a second soft click. Whenever I >> hear that sound, the Mac goes unresponsive until it stops. So yeah, I think >> the Mac just told me unequivocally to replace the hard drive. <smile> I >> didn’t bother to verify the main hard drive, since the drive’s only >> partition isn’t working. Well, thanks for all your help. Now to decide if I >> should spend money to replace it, or just keep using this MacBook Air, >> despite its paltry 64gb of space. >> On Jun 8, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> yes, it is. Just for fun, try verifying them individually, that is, one at >>> a time. See if the same errors persist. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Bad news. As I said I would, I ran a disk verification before putting my >>>> data back. I opened Disk Utility, highlighted my main drive as well as the >>>> Macintosh HD partition, and hit “verify disk”. Just as before all this >>>> happened, I got the warning that the disk could not be verified and I’d >>>> need to repair it using the Recovery HD. This is bad, isn’t it? >>>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I had that same feeling earlier today when I wiped a server’s main HD. >>>>> Oh crap, did I remember to archive the directory or am I going to be here >>>>> for hours restoring a backup or re-entering usernames. Anyway, zeroing a >>>>> drive will typically take quite a while, so sleeping through the thing is >>>>> probably a good idea. >>>>> >>>>> Hope it works this time. >>>>> >>>>> Later… >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It’s been an hour, and we’re at 48%. I have to be up early, so I’m >>>>>> headed to bed; hopefully this is done by tomorrow morning. I didn’t >>>>>> realize zeroing would erase the disk, so I had a moment of panic when it >>>>>> said “started erasing disk”; I wondered if I'd chosen the correct disk. >>>>>> <smile> >>>>>> On Jun 7, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about we try this in Terminal instead. Sometimes, Disk Utility has >>>>>>> problems executing things if the drive is having issues. You should be >>>>>>> able to get into Terminal from your thumb drive by going up to the >>>>>>> Utilities menu. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Enter the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> diskutil list >>>>>>> (press return) >>>>>>> this will give you the BSD device name of your drive. >>>>>>> eg: "disk0”, disk1 etc.” >>>>>>> You should be able to determine which is your internal HD by reading >>>>>>> through the resulting output. You only want the initial name, like >>>>>>> disk1, not disk1s2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> next: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> diskutil unmount force /dev/disk_name >>>>>>> eg: >>>>>>> diskutil unmount force /dev/disk0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> next: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> diskutil zeroDisk /dev/disk_name >>>>>>> eg: >>>>>>> diskutil zeroDisk /dev/disk0 >>>>>>> (press return) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After disk is zeroed, you can exit Terminal and try things again in >>>>>>> Disk Utility. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course if your disk is indeed going bad, then our efforts to fix it >>>>>>> will be fruitless and you may wish to get a new HD. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I did the startup disk selection yesterday, from the Apple menu. >>>>>>>> My thumb drive is still the selected disk (oddly, my beta partition >>>>>>>> has vanished, even though I haven’t yet erased anything). The second >>>>>>>> item in the initial list is indeed “install”, not “reinstall”, so it >>>>>>>> looks like I’m definitely on the thumb drive. Stranger by the day… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Teresa Cochran <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this might sound obvious, but the best way to ensure you start up >>>>>>>>> from your external drive is to go into the utilities menu, (I've >>>>>>>>> temporarily blanked on the name of the utilities app that runs in the >>>>>>>>> recovery partition) the one just to the right of the apple menu and >>>>>>>>> choose startup disc. You can choose the thumb drive from there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Slow down; you’ll get there faster. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that it’s actually starting up from the thumb drive? >>>>>>>>>> It sounds like your Mini is starting up from the Recovery Partition >>>>>>>>>> instead. They do look and feel just the same. I think that the >>>>>>>>>> second item when starting up from the Recovery Partition says >>>>>>>>>> “Re-install MacOS X” whereas the thumb drive should say “Install >>>>>>>>>> MacOS X”. Not sure but, I’ll keep trying if that’s not the case. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I was going off memory earlier, so misspoke a bit. I see “current, >>>>>>>>>>> partition format, popup button, but it is dimmed. The table is not >>>>>>>>>>> dimmed, and neither are the five tabs, but every other control in >>>>>>>>>>> the Partitions Tab screen is unusable for some reason. Also, don’t >>>>>>>>>>> worry about taking a while to get back to me; I avoid all website >>>>>>>>>>> work for just the reason you described. <smile> I’m just glad for >>>>>>>>>>> the help; as I said, the nearest Apple Store is hours away, and >>>>>>>>>>> this machine isn’t covered anyway. >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What I’m asking you to do is, in Disk Utility, select your drive. >>>>>>>>>>>> That is, the thing that reads 1 TB Hitachi blah blah or whatever >>>>>>>>>>>> make your HD is, not the already partitioned volumes. Then, go to >>>>>>>>>>>> the Partition tab and partition your HD with one partition, MacOS >>>>>>>>>>>> Extended (Journaled) with name Macintosh HD. As well, press the >>>>>>>>>>>> Options button in this window and ensure that your HD will have >>>>>>>>>>>> the GUID schema. Apply this change and you’ll have one volume on >>>>>>>>>>>> your drive with name “Macintosh HD”. When you run the Mavericks >>>>>>>>>>>> Installer from your thumb drive, the Recovery Partition will be >>>>>>>>>>>> automatically created. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this is clearer. Sorry for any confusion. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I just want to clarify one point. All the “clean install >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mavericks” articles I’ve found say to format your disk/partition. >>>>>>>>>>>>> They seem to imply that you will magically have a Macintosh HD >>>>>>>>>>>>> partition, even if it is the only partition on an otherwise blank >>>>>>>>>>>>> drive, or that you simply don’t erase that partition at all. In >>>>>>>>>>>>> your email, did you mean that the installer will automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>> create a partition of the proper size and name if one does not >>>>>>>>>>>>> already exist? I’d rather not go through this multiple times, so >>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to do everything right on the first try if I can. Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> for your patience. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I’m saying that you should totally wipe the HD. That is, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after starting up from the thumb drive, go to Disk Utility and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-partition your drive to one partition named Macintosh HD. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any subsequent partitions should be done later on the live >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive. This will ensure that the Recovery Partition is created >>>>>>>>>>>>>> properly. Not sure where the other individual got there info >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but this is sound practice. If you used DiskMaker X to create >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your bootable Mavericks Installer, on the thumb drive or the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in “Create Install Media” utility of the Mavericks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Installer, then a proper Recovery Partition will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically created. If you used the Disk Utility method, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then the Recovery Partition must have already existed in order >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create a proper installation. The problem in your case is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you need to do a total re-format, so, using the existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recovery Partition is not of any benefit. Refer to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for info on these limitations. In addition, if you didn’t >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perform a complete wipe during your last clean install, these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors may have carried over thus any disk structure issues >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have persisted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this makes sense. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. I’m in the beta partition now, copying a few files over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to my external hard drive. The problem is here too: Finder just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hung for about thirty seconds, while my Mac’s HD made the sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve come to dread. Still, it’s working, thankfully; my main >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partition won’t even boot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to wiping, I’m still not sure what to do. I mean, I know how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to format the drive from the OS X on my thumb drive and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install, the question is, what do I do with my partitions? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have two, one Macintosh HD and one OS X Beta Partition. When I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did a clean install back in March, I had only the Macintosh HD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partition and so didn’t need to worry. I reformatted that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partition, but didn’t actually erase it, as people I asked told >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me that completely erasing the Macintosh HD partition could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn out badly. Are you saying that I should format the entire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive, wiping out both partitions? If I do that, won’t it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affect the installation of the OS, or will the installer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partition as necessary? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For expediency purposes, I wouldn’t worry about re-mapping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partitions etc., you’re just going to wipe the drive and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-partition anyway. Regarding grabbing those files, if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup from your thumb drive, then go under it’s Apple menu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Startup Disk, you should be able to select the 10.9.3 beta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partition as your startup disk. if things are OK in that area >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the HD. Once you’ve started with that version of the OS, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you could quickly get the files you want and place them onto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever media you want. You could then go ahead and do the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> total wipe/re-partition and re-install from your 10.9.3 thumb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive. It’s best to do it from there since it needs to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done from a external source in order to completely reformat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you’re unable to startup from your beta partition, then the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive is in fairly rough shape and you’d either need to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terminal commands to grab those files or just give up on them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks guys. I have a thumb drive with Mavericsk that I’ve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used before, and that I keep around now that we have a couple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Macs in the house. I’ll use that. Before I do though, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there any way to copy off any other files I’d like to keep, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones I could recover but that it’d be easier just to have if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can get them? I could probably boot into that beta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partition and copy, but I don’t know if I’ll have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permissions to do that. I’ll also need a way to erase the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beta partition, if that is indeed the problem. I only tested >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one OS, the 10.9.3 beta a month ago, but I suppose it could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have caused the problem. Anyway, can I erase that from Disk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Utility on the recovery HD, and if so, how would I do that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and merge its space back to Macintosh HD? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Chris that it could very likely be a software >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing. So, since you have a Time Machine backup that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly up-to-date and you say that you have your important >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files backed up, I’d go for the reformat and reinstall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option. If you don’t have an external HD or the cables that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned earlier, there is a neat little utility within >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Mavericks Installer that allows you to build a bootable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mavericks installer on a flash drive that is at least 8 GB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in size. If you wish to go that way, I can share >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions with you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:00 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacVisionaries <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mentioned a 50GB partition for OSX betas. So were you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running beta OSes on this box? If so, it's at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plausible that the beta OSX had some kind of bug which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mangled data structures on the drive and, since it had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to your non-beta partition, it could have mangled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your regular OSX boot drive as well. In other words, this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still have been a software issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/14, 9:17 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, here's the status of my Mac Mini's hard drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Two repairs from the Recovery HD resulted in an error >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling me to format ad re-install. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * I did just that at the end of March, and given that two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repairs couldn't fix whatever errors have accumulated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after three months, it seems like the drive itself is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * The SMART status of the drive is "verified", not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "failing", which seems odd given the previous points. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * The drive is partitioned into two: 450gb for OS X, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50gb for OS X betas. I don't yet know if the beta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partition works, but both share a drive so I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optimistic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas? I looked at replacing the drive, but the iFixIt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions are scary and require special tools. The Mini >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not under Apple Care protection, and my nearest Genius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bar is almost three hours away. Am I just doomed, or is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there a check/repair/miracle program I could run? 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