Hello Saba, Everyone is entitled to his opinion and I certainly respect yours but I couldn't disagree with you more.
I use Outlook on a daily basis with both Jaws and/or Zoomtext. When it comes to reading mass amounts of messages, I think the Mac Mail application is a thousand times more efficient than Outlook has ever been. For example, the automatic reading of each message in a thread takes a minimum of keystrokes when compared to Outlook via Jaws. To be even more honest, I would not subscribe to any email lists if I were forced to muddle through them using Outlook. Finally, I will never understand people's desire to continue to compare one platform over another. Outlook certainly has its advantages over Mail but, rest assured that the reverse is true, also. My friends, there is room on this tech train journey for everyone and everything so sample and take what you like but do not disrespect those things that you do not like. Most Sincerely and your brother in the journey, mark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 11:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: read receipt At the risk of boiling this over, to be honest I don't believe Mail.app is a very competent email client. It's really Outlook Express for the Mac. Once upon a time Apple may have cared--signs of Eudora were written all over it--but they don't now; for them, the metaphor of email is shattered by the slightest hint of advanced functionality. I pity them, and us. This is as much of a source of frustration to me as anyone, because I don't believe we have an alternative--Thunderbird doesn't work yet, for example. At best, you can use a command-line or console client such as Heirloom mailx or mutt/alpine. I have already filed bugs against specific aspects of Mail.app's protocol implementation, many of which were regressions from previous versions. At best they have been marked as duplicate, but no further action on them has been taken. I conclude that Mail.app really isn't an ideal email client for my needs. It works in most cases, but you do have to squint pretty hard to overlook the ugliness. As I said, the solution that you've outlined can work, but it won't work for people who have multiple accounts, and is IMO too clunky to be workable in day-to-day use. If you find differently, by all means, use it and more power to you. DSN (delivery receipt) is off the cards, because you absolutely require control over the SMTP dialog; you can't just use headers. This is a great shame, since DSN is more ubiquitous even than read receipts; for example, iCloud supports it, even though you can't access it. If the SMTP server you are sending through happens to be Sendmail, and a non-default option is set, then Sendmail will honour the obsolete "Return-Receipt-To" header, but many sites simply don't know the meaning of that header at all, so you will get unpredictable behaviour. If I wanted to solve this problem more permanently, I'd use some sort of hand-written SMTP proxy server that made a set of changes to all mail that I sent out. Maybe one day I'll do it, but right now I'm insufficiently motivated; it's easier just to start up Thunderbird in Windows. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
