Hi, No need to be sorry for having an opinion. People have different opinions about Vista, some wish they'd never tried it (me included) and some like it.
Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: [email protected] AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Oh, I'm so sorry! > Donna > On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Portia wrote: > >> >> I'm running Vista. >> >> Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi Nic, >>> >>> I think you're dead on. At least for me, my work environment has >>> had >>> a very definite impact on my experience with my Mac. >>> >>> I think I'm also lucky. I never switched to Windows Vista, thank >>> God! >>> I'm still running XP, which I think makes my Windows life a lot >>> easier! >>> Take care, >>> Donna >>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I think one of the biggest issues that are represented here is >>>> work. >>>> Depending on what you're doing, the company you work for might >>>> require >>>> that you work with their systems, most likely Windows or Linux. >>>> I've >>>> encountered companies in my country that use Mac OS X, but not >>>> many, >>>> which definitely does get confusing. I would suppose that, if you >>>> work >>>> more than you have time to play with your Mac, the PC immediately >>>> takes priority for obvious reasons and it'll take you longer to get >>>> used to it. >>>> >>>> I study computer science, and on occasion I actually have to >>>> struggle >>>> with Windows commands. I find Windows so sluggish and unresponsive >>>> now >>>> compared to the Mac, and that's not an attempt to slam it, because >>>> I'm >>>> sure it has its advantages for some people, it's just not snappy >>>> and >>>> stable enough for what I need it to do.. Granted, I mostly do use >>>> my >>>> Mac for things such as browsing the web, editing, reading mail and >>>> so- >>>> forth, but what frustrated me with Windows was the crashes. That is >>>> one thing I don't miss. Otherwise, Windows is definitely a good >>>> system. For me, it just wasn't good enough, so to speak, and it >>>> frustrated the heck out of me sometimes. Sometimes I was happy with >>>> it, to be fair. But I also think one superiority the Mac has over >>>> the >>>> Windows operating system is the integrated screen access software. >>>> If >>>> you update your display drivers, you don't need to spend time >>>> reinstalling and installing applications to discover it didn't >>>> work, >>>> then install the latest version of an application such as JAWS to >>>> finally make it understand that you actually want Video Intercept >>>> installed for the thousandth time, then downgrade if you don't like >>>> JAWS 11. If you're me, you don't like JAWS 11, but that's another >>>> story entirely. But that's another thing that made me all too >>>> willing >>>> to switch, with no regrets. Yeah, I wish someone would put >>>> together a >>>> MUD client that actually had VoiceOver support, or at least utilize >>>> the text to speech features that use the built-in voices without >>>> VoiceOver. That'd at least be a start. >>>> >>>> Otherwise, I don't use Windows at all except to comply with those >>>> people who still send me executables on CDs. Or to play MUDs. You >>>> can >>>> do exactly the same things on the Mac as you can on Windows, the >>>> only >>>> problem every switcher probably has is the fact that they don't >>>> know >>>> which applications to look for to accomplish said task. I've had my >>>> Mac since August 1 as I said earlier, and I certainly don't know >>>> all >>>> the substitutes for Windows programs yet. That having been said, I >>>> only use Windows for the tasks written above. >>>> >>>> Thought I'd share my views once again, and I'll probably be writing >>>> more. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >>>> AIM: cincinster >>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>> Facebook Profile >>>> My Twitter >>>> >>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:44 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Smile, thank you very much. >>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing the >>>>>> following: >>>>>> 1. Open VoiceOver utility. >>>>>> 2. Interact with the Utility categories table and vo+downarrow >>>>>> to >>>>>> the >>>>>> commands category, then stop interacting. >>>>>> 3. Select the Keyboard tab. >>>>>> 4. Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable >>>>>> keyboard >>>>>> commander. Check that box. >>>>>> 5. Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander >>>>>> table." Interact with that table. After you interact with that >>>>>> table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation >>>>>> commands to hear what commands are set. >>>>>> n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmm, that's really good to know. Is there a place where I can >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> other commands the apple script has? I guess I'll go check that >>>>>>> option now. >>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello. If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover >>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> check the time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> well said all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> there are several cool factors for the mac os. one of which >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility. >>>>>>>>> however >>>>>>>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not >>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>> OSX. for this reason alone i only have limited time to >>>>>>>>> explore >>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>> virtues. i will second the same issues that Donna posted >>>>>>>>> previously. additionally i have found that there is a lot >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> interaction for simple tasks. double the key strokes for the >>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev. i am quite worried >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> begining a graduate program. i guess only time will tell. >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> one written code for a quick check of the time? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Have good evening, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well. I >>>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I >>>>>>>>>> finder >>>>>>>>>> it a >>>>>>>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they >>>>>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be >>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning >>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> windows and to play games. Other than that, it will be >>>>>>>>>> hidden >>>>>>>>>> behind >>>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and >>>>>>>>>> figure >>>>>>>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol. >>>>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :) I'm glad that after >>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to >>>>>>>>>>> suit >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the >>>>>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>>>>> fascinate me. I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the >>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen. For example, I am >>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match >>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>> site I >>>>>>>>>>> am registered with. When Safari loaded the page and auto- >>>>>>>>>>> read, >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> read everything just as you would expect. But then, I >>>>>>>>>>> decided I >>>>>>>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred >>>>>>>>>>> qualifications. I >>>>>>>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I >>>>>>>>>>> interacted >>>>>>>>>>> with stuff, and nothing. So, I booted up my Pc, went into >>>>>>>>>>> IE, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>> clue >>>>>>>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari. I >>>>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that >>>>>>>>>>> viewing a >>>>>>>>>>> webpage >>>>>>>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or >>>>>>>>>>> through a >>>>>>>>>>> veil >>>>>>>>>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking >>>>>>>>>>> at. >>>>>>>>>>> Links >>>>>>>>>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is >>>>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> difficult to locate. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a >>>>>>>>>>> delightful >>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin* >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd >>>>>>>>>>>> experience. I >>>>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to >>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an >>>>>>>>>>>> institute >>>>>>>>>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it >>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I >>>>>>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>>>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become >>>>>>>>>>>> extremely >>>>>>>>>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has >>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously >>>>>>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>>>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the >>>>>>>>>>>> registry. >>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>> headache. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I >>>>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It >>>>>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only >>>>>>>>>>>> had a >>>>>>>>>>>> showroom >>>>>>>>>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off >>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly, >>>>>>>>>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I >>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>> very happy. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with >>>>>>>>>>>> excitement. I >>>>>>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>>>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get >>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh no! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> care. I >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to >>>>>>>>>>>> advertise. >>>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the >>>>>>>>>>>> installation >>>>>>>>>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup >>>>>>>>>>>> sound. >>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I >>>>>>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>>>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I >>>>>>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. >>>>>>>>>>>> God >>>>>>>>>>>> dang >>>>>>>>>>>> it! >>>>>>>>>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a >>>>>>>>>>>> password to >>>>>>>>>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to >>>>>>>>>>>> require a >>>>>>>>>>>> password >>>>>>>>>>>> at login. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I >>>>>>>>>>>> told >>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and >>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>> promptly >>>>>>>>>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords to >>>>>>>>>>>> enter, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> I did. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most >>>>>>>>>>>> annoying >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I >>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a >>>>>>>>>>>> kid >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>> birthday. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the >>>>>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you >>>>>>>>>>>> do? I >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do >>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to scan >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more >>>>>>>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the >>>>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web >>>>>>>>>>>> rotor >>>>>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I do >>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not ashamed >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> admit >>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only been >>>>>>>>>>>> productive, >>>>>>>>>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to >>>>>>>>>>>> throw >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it >>>>>>>>>>>> due to >>>>>>>>>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that you >>>>>>>>>>>> mention >>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the >>>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved the >>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a >>>>>>>>>>>> lot, >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and phone >>>>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those >>>>>>>>>>>> tasks >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll >>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the >>>>>>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, then I >>>>>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan in >>>>>>>>>>>> Denmark? >>>>>>>>>>>> Not me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those >>>>>>>>>>>> living in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around the >>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> easier >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks. As I mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as Safari >>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard >>>>>>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>>>>>> days, >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>>>>>>> relegated to after-hours. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an >>>>>>>>>>>>> item >>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>> know is on a certain page. This never happens to me on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> PC. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on my >>>>>>>>>>>>> PC, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra >>>>>>>>>>>>> time, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I really >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for >>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on my >>>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely. This of course isn't an Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>> issue, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack of a >>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>> solid >>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of seeing >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> a PC replacement. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>>>>>>> PC. at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some >>>>>>>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one OS >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 >>>>>>>>>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, >>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>> 90% >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> what I do. I like the Mac a lot. I like that VO is built >>>>>>>>>>>>> in, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like >>>>>>>>>>>>> working >>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is what I >>>>>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone. >>>>>>>>>>>>> When I >>>>>>>>>>>>> compare >>>>>>>>>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone is >>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly do >>>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all >>>>>>>>>>>>> kinds >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets, >>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>> on. I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, so >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> me, >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit. but when it comes to a >>>>>>>>>>>>> computer, >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC >>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get >>>>>>>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amoeba >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scroll >>>>>>>>>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. Otherwise, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> complain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me, everything is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> faster. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> viewer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc sitting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the broadcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am curious, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoutcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ask my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as dual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dreadiris, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> till >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time abbyy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sl. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iwll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tv in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bu tI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok (if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never turn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just close >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for Echolink, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solved. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works well too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently bought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office suite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editors/office >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long documents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of finereader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can rival >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an interpreter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under java. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in the library. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
