Chris, Mario kinda reminds me of another person on another mailing list named Pablo Morales. Both of them like to complain about issues that most of us aren't experiencing. The thing is, Apple must be doing something right if blind and sighted people keep buying their products. And sure, there are bugs, but I along with a hand full of blind beta testers are working hard to make iOS 8.3 and OS X Yosemite the best it can be. As for Mario's questionable language, surprisingly, I'm not offended. I just laughed at it because it shows how childish this person really is, so it was entertaining for me. But on a serious note, this ain't the Zone BBS or it's mailing list, so I agree with others that the swearing temper tantrum isn't appropriate for a *Family* mailing list and should be dealt with.
Shawn Sent From My White MacBook > On Mar 28, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Donna, > > What bothers me mostly about this entire thread is that those unlike you, and > the Believer, etc. will not present the list with any rock-solid examples of > how things are still broken. How must one expect us to believe them if they > won't even back up their comments with anything worthwhile. > > Chris. > --- > Check out my web site at: > http://www.clgproductions.net <http://www.clgproductions.net/>----- Original > Message ----- >> From: Donna Goodin <mailto:[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 9:19 AM >> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8 >> >> I have to agree with the believer, here. I don't know what you guys are >> talking about. Many of Yuma's comments are about whether Apple is still on >> the cutting edge. I agree that Tim Cook and Johnny Ives aren't the >> visionaries that Steve Jobs was, there's no question about that. But in >> terms of the actual products, I've got IOS 8.2 on my phone, and I actually >> find Voiceover to be more responsive than with IOS 8.0, so it seems pretty >> clear to me that they made some accessibility improvements. I'm running >> Yosemite on my MBA, and am happy with that as well. I don't feel in anyway >> that accessibility is being pushed off to the side. Are there things that >> could be improved, absolutely. But Apple is still doing a better job than >> any other company of building native accessibility into its products. I had >> to use Windows 8 at my old job, and I can say truthfully it'd be a cold day >> in hell before I switch back to a PC. I haven't used an Android phone since >> 2010, and I'm sure the landscape there has changed significantly since then. >> But when I did try it, the experience did not bring me joy. >> >> This is just my experience, and as such, it is not intended to invalidate >> the experiences of anyone who may actually be having problems, just to say >> that not all of us are. Don't know why some would be while others aren't, >> but perhaps that is the case. >> Best, >> Donna >>> On Mar 28, 2015, at 8:01 AM, mário navarro <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> man, why you are so stupid? >>> you work for apple? >>> apple pay all your debts at the end of the month? >>> apple solves all your problems of accessibility in the voice over? >>> yes, because only you have no accessibility problems in your iPhone ... >>> shut your mouth and respect the people in the group ... >>> >>> Em 28/03/2015 02:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland escreveu: >>>> All of the nightmarish things that happened with I O S 8 in the beginning >>>> have pretty much been fixed. >>>> >>>> I run I O S 8.2 on all of my devices, including my IPad Air first >>>> generation, and all is very very smoothe. I really don't have any issues >>>> any longer. OK, in Safari, on huge web pages, sometimes the item chooser >>>> will crap the bed, but even that is becoming more and more rare, and the >>>> main web site where I see this happen, is a major exception, as that page >>>> literally speaking has over 12 thousand links on it. >>>> >>>> Sorry, I'm not at liberty to go into what this site is, you're just gonna >>>> have to trust me with this. >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> --- >>>> Check out my web site at: >>>> http://www.clgproductions.net <http://www.clgproductions.net/>----- >>>> Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Jon Solitro <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 8:38 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8 >>>>> >>>>> The app is called WritePad. I can't attest to the functionality as I >>>>> haven't been able to download it yet. >>>>> >>>>> I know that many apps need ios 8. I'm justwondering if it is worth it ot >>>>> upgrade. In the past when I've upgraded, Voice Over tends to run >>>>> slower. How is it now? Should I upgrade? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, "george b" <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What is the name of the hand writing reconigation app I am interested in >>>>>> this please. >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Jon Solitro >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:54 >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8 >>>>>> >>>>>> I still haven't upgraded to iOs 8 on my iPad 2. I'm still running iOs 7. >>>>>> I found a handwriting recognition app that needs iOs 8 to install. >>>>>> Should I update, or can I expect slower operation? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 3:38:48 PM UTC-4, Yuma Decaux wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have >>>>>>> to say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, >>>>>>> slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not >>>>>>> working, hang like slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say >>>>>>> that I have started looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is >>>>>>> trying to nudge things too much into the “let big brother figure out >>>>>>> for you what you should like and do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. >>>>>>> Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was going through some >>>>>>> tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 tracks kept popping up like >>>>>>> annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing their crap on my life >>>>>>> experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed >>>>>>> to do things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some great >>>>>>> songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my style, nor >>>>>>> inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an apple store and wait >>>>>>> for a genius to tell me my future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you >>>>>>> who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few >>>>>>> basic things: >>>>>>> 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple >>>>>>> makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music >>>>>>> production or app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not >>>>>>> the other way around. >>>>>>> 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively >>>>>>> create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the >>>>>>> direction of that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that >>>>>>> much in giving us a good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a >>>>>>> pompous marketing guy with design skills I cannot trust as head of >>>>>>> human interface, a software division, coming from someone who used to >>>>>>> make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can trust in this are >>>>>>> frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the last apple >>>>>>> showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with all >>>>>>> that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly >>>>>>> clean, efficient and snappy interfaces. >>>>>>> 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes >>>>>>> I wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process >>>>>>> of creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that >>>>>>> most companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are >>>>>>> meant to be broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, >>>>>>> no. If it’s broken, it should be free, such as what google offers. >>>>>>> Buying a 3000 dollar piece of hardware to get clunky experiences and >>>>>>> moments where you want to throw that damn thing out the window and >>>>>>> never touch it again is clearly not what I call good experience on a >>>>>>> computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both sighted and >>>>>>> visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in terms >>>>>>> of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil >>>>>>> tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers >>>>>>> behind murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more >>>>>>> complacent than should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each >>>>>>> year now with a barely straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he >>>>>>> never had a girl friend chill time or something seems amiss in him. >>>>>>> Some soul? Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style >>>>>>> apple is portraying. It’s becoming a disney world presentation with >>>>>>> oooohs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite literally lagging. No >>>>>>> visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now, from all the >>>>>>> sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, should lead >>>>>>> us much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, and >>>>>>> let’s not forget screen readers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, off for my morning coffee. 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