Sounds fair enough, Ray. I didn't mean at all for non-testers to be driven away 
from the next release, rather, to be careful with the betas. The new list will 
be a great relief, and indeed a learning experience, for plenty of testers. I 
was going to give it a shot, making a group, but I'd not want to run a first 
group and then make a mistake that will undo work the group was meant to do.    
 

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> On Aug 1, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I'm very much afraid it would not.  I'd prefer your original suggestion for a 
> separate group.  The reason is that bugs would reveal or might reveal details 
> that really we should not be going in to.  Also, we don't want to run the 
> risk of scaring non testers in to thinking that what they will install in the 
> fall is all riddled with nothing but problems now do we?  Why, of course not. 
>  Tell yuh what.  I shall wait three days from now.  IF by the evening of this 
> coming Monday, August 03 2015, no one has started such a group, I shall 
> myself undertake the venture.  Most likely, it will be a google group for the 
> sake of consistency.  The google group management interface is so much better 
> now than it used to be that I feel comfortable giving it a go.
> 
> What say the rest of y'all:  especially my fellow testers?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I propose that bug-related materials can and should be spoken about, 
>> but no new features. Would that be a good middle ground?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 6:11 PM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  It was suggested more than once but no one wanted to take the lead. *sighs*
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  [email protected]
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>> On 8/1/2015 4:09 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>> Surely you know you can to others in the public beta. Public beta group,
>>>> anyone? This could all be settled easily. *sighs*
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Surely you know that we cannot answer that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Devin Prater <[email protected]
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El
>>>>>> Capitan? I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same
>>>>>> in beta 2. ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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