Daniel, well said. I've been meaning to say something about this for about a 
few weeks now, but I decided to keep my mouth shut because I didn't want to get 
flamed. But since flaming has become an every day activity here it seems, I 
don't really care anymore. So here goes. Ever since the current moderator for 
this list, Cara Quin has decided to become M.I.A., I found that this Mac 
Visionaries list has gone down hill in terms of integrity. Everything from 
talking about pirating Apple beta software from basically bashing people and 
telling them where to go. If Cara decided to read some of these emails, guys, 
how appalled do you think she'd be? This isn't the Mac Visionaries list she 
created. This is the kind of BS that I would expect to read and she'd expect to 
read from the Zone BBS mailing list. And Cara, if you are reading this, I'd 
suggest you do something about this or hand the reins of moderation to someone 
else that will do something about it. No disrespect to you but this needs to 
stop. Moderation is important for a mailing list or it becomes a sea of chaos 
and anarchy like it is now.

Shawn
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> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
> stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
> immaturity? Just saying...
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Aleeha,
>> 
>> I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
>> the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be. 
>>  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
>>> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
>>> your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
>>> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
>>> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Aleeha wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>>>> least one of the betas.
>>>> 
>>>> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
>>>> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
>>>> 
>>>> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
>>>> can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
>>>> am? on 9?
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <[email protected]>
>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>>>>>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>>>>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>>>>>> [email protected].
>>>>>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>>>>>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>>>>>> [email protected] and Matt's is [email protected].
>>>>>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
>>>>> 
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