I am inclined to concurr completely with CJ on this.  How well I fondly 
remember my first days with my Mac and how helpful this list had been at the 
time in pulling me through what I felt were fairly tricky spots at the time.  I 
hate to see what is happening now to the list and, I should like to indicate, 
as a co-moderator of another list which is also on Google groups, that the 
google interfase (at least for the Mac) has improved greatly.  PLEASE, PLEASE, 
let us rescue what remains before it dies a most horrifick and painful death!!!


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:25 PM, CJ Daniel <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> To whom it may concern,
> 
> I have been a member of this list for several years now.  I read the traffic 
> on a daily basis.  I try to only post when I feel that I can competently 
> address another list member’s query about the Mac & VoiceOver.  However, I 
> will confess that, as of late, I have been drawn into some of the conflict 
> with the list’s number one problem child.  While I’m not proud of my 
> interactions with him, I do feel that some of his provocations are quite 
> extreme & do necessitate some sort of response.  
> 
> Which brings me to my point, to whit.  If moderating this list has become 
> burdensome to the people currently engaged in that office, shouldn’t other 
> willing list members be appointed to that task?  I sense from the messages 
> posted on the list that the majority of our members are kind & considerate 
> people, who only want to gather information & share their knowledge about the 
> use of VoiceOver on the Mac.  The majority of us do not wish to engage in 
> controversy, the use of foul language, or vile attacks on others.  While 
> “freedom of speech” is certainly a concept I support, I do not, for one 
> minute, believe that some of the miss-conduct seen recently on this list 
> constitute that noble ideal.
> 
> All of that being said, I urge each of the concerned, right-thinking, members 
> of this list to join with me in requesting the owner of this list to appoint 
> new & active moderators.  I do not believe in calling for action from others. 
>  I believe in civil society & each person participating to the fullest in 
> that concept.  I offer my services as a moderator & would be glad to discuss 
> my qualifications for such a post off list with any owner or current 
> moderator of this list.  I urge others to do the same.  It is possible to 
> reclaim the good standing of this list & move forward to continue a great 
> tradition of the civil exchange of knowledge & mutual assistance.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> CJ Daniel
> 
> 
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