In my experience, the problems arise under two different circumstances. Installing a new OS on top of a previous one often causes unpredictable problems, especially for VoiceOver users. And the other circumstance is where people get impatient and do things like closing the lid of a laptop or pressing the power button. However, I have to say that I’ve seen more trouble with El Capitán than with any previous OS and I’ve been using VoiceOver since the release of Tiger in April 2005.
Cheers, Anne > On 12 Nov 2015, at 09:02, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > Hello Devin, > > You ask an excellent question. > > I was afraid that I would cause some confusion in my initial post. > Therefore, I will attempt to be more specific. My supposition that using > VoiceOver may cause the OS to not complete the installation process only > refers to the final, and I do mean the final screen that appears on the > display, the one that says something like, "completing installation". > > There is no problem using VoiceOver during any of the previous installation > screens. > > The question still remains, then, how can one know when the installation is > truly complete. > > At this point, I recommend that one simply use the VoiceOver+either left or > right arrow keys in order to obtain the status of the completion process. > That is to say, do not interact with anything. If you receive a bonk sound, > just leave it alone. When the installation is truly complete, you will be > returned to the screen from which you launched the installation. In many > cases, this will be the App Store. > > Of course, common sense dictates that if more than 20 to 30 minutes pass > after you hear VoiceOver say something like "completing installation", then > you will have to attempt to get more information via VoiceOver. > > I want to reiterate that I am only guessing at why some encounter more > VoiceOver problems than others. While I have experienced a kind of pattern, > which forms the basis of my hypothesis, in no way do I hold that I am > correct. My experience could be nothing more than random chance or simply be > the result of some other collateral factor of which I am not aware. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:53 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Something To Consider When Updating Your Mac > > If this is so, then how would we then know when the installation is 100% > complete? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:00 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> You know, I almost hesitate to post the following supposition for fear >> of unleashing a firestorm of debate but after my recent experiences >> updating several Macs from Yosemite to El Capitan, I am compelled to proceed. >> >> For the life of me, I cannot fathom why some who upgrade from Yosemite >> to El Capitan do so with virtually no negative results while others, >> experience countless and, according to them, almost catastrophic >> consequences, from an accessibility perspective. >> >> I have long suspected the following supposition but have recently >> begun to test my hypothesis, said hypothesis being the following: >> >> During the upgrade process, using VoiceOver too soon, can interrupt >> the installation and that it is this interruption that leads to the >> increase in the number of VoiceOver accessibility problems. >> >> Scenario: >> A totally blind person begins the upgrade process or even performs a >> fresh install of El Capitan. During this process, several screens are >> displayed but near the very end of the process, VoiceOver can be used >> even though the installation is not yet complete. Visually, the >> screen may display something like Completing Update. This screen is >> not comfortably accessible and, as a result, the totally blind person >> may not realize that there is still a progress bar that has not yet >> reached 100%. As a result of this lack of knowledge, the user begins >> performing VoiceOver actions including switching screen focus, etc. >> When this happens, I believe that the extremely final installation tasks are >> not properly completed. >> >> Whenever I install a copy of the OS, I am very careful to allow the >> installation process to complete and, sometimes, that final screen can >> remain on the display for what appears to be a remarkably long time, >> relative to the entire installation process. >> >> During my testing, in each instance in which I did not wait for the >> screen to disappear or I began using VoiceOver to interact with the OS >> before the screen disappeared, I noticed a significant degradation in >> the performance of VoiceOver. >> >> Now again, let me emphasize that this is just a guess on my part and >> in no way do I hold that it is a correct one. >> >> Be that as it may, I suggest that this is something to consider when >> updating your Mac. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. 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