The very dollar sign is what drives progress. And also drives entrepreneurs to start up and develop new products. So those who think so lowly of Apple are certainly free to take a stab at it. Guaranteed that those new products would elicit the same negativity too. There is no Goldilocks rule in the market place.

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On 1/18/2016 12:28 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
i do not agree with proprietary Technologies especially with audio Products.
i don't think apple can see past getting the iPhone 1 inch thinner why that 
matters i don't know but i think the Dollar signs are very persuasive for them.
On 19 Jan 2016, at 5:29 AM, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Quite right, well said. All change is positive, and all progress is made in the 
interests of the majority. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it does 
bring up some valid encerns about the expense that might be incurred by people 
having to try and purchase solutions to make their speakers and headphones 
work. Sometimes I connect my phone to my speakers via the headphone jack. I 
don't want to have to buy special equipment such as a new amp and speakers. 
Sometimes change happens in order to help a company to make more money and 
force people to buy more of their products, which they can charge as much as 
they like for because it's proprietary. If they could provide an adapter then 
maybe this ouldn't be such a concern.

As for the democrat republican uestion: I am in the UK where our political 
situation is unquestionably perfect. No, obviously that was a joke.   ..

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jan 2016, at 17:47, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Back in the day I actually paid good money to "The Source" plus long distance 
to read news from the 84 Olympics at 300 BAUD. That and downloading walkthroughs for Zork 
:)

CB

On 1/18/16 11:46 AM, E.T. wrote:
Not to overlook 300 baud. We are not in that much of a hurry are we these days? 
We can stand to sit and wait a week for a download. can we not?

  Its all in the name of progress. If its moving too fast, people can jump off 
at the next stop. There is always the next train.

  78s? There are those who probably swore at the invasion of LPs.

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On 1/18/2016 8:37 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
So history rhymes a lot. Why would Apple go with that funky 3.5" disk
when I already had boxes of 5 1/4" floppies. Dropping ADB for keyboards
and mice to adopt the unknown USB means I had to get all new devices.
What was so awful expensive about a CD drive that they had to leave it
out of the newer machines? What were they thinking going with the little
3.5mm jack when my 1/4" quadrophonic Koss headphones are still good? In
all these cases Apple just moved on before the consumers really knew
where the trends were going. Wouldn't it be possible that IF Apple
dropped the last bastion of analog I/O they might actually include
headphones with the new fangled connector? For those with nice high-end
headphones a little adaptation might be in line but years from now we'll
look back and wonder what the big deal was. In the end it's all
disposable, just happening sooner than some would like. Sure some niche
or luddite realms linger, but Apple doesn't seem to care as much about
those. Vacuum tubes and vinyl LPs anyone? Yes, those are fighting words
in some camps :)

CB

On 1/18/16 10:36 AM, E.T. wrote:
Change is ever so very difficult yet change is exactly what brings us
to this point in time. With change comes the task of breaking old
obsolete habits and forming new ones.

  For example, look at the mad rush people make to trade in the last
generation of iPhones even if it is perfectly functional, or stand in
line overnight to get that new Apple TV.

  So Apple has very good reason for change. Its simple. People want
change.

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On 1/18/2016 7:12 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Yes, the 3.5 m jack would go bye bye. You'd have to get new headphones,
if this wind up being true which would have a lightning plug on the end,
like your charger, instead of the rounded 3.5M plug.
Chris.

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   *From:* Kawal Gucukoglu <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>
   *To:* Macvisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 10:01 AM
   *Subject:* Re: Apple's headphone scam

   Please could someone tell me how headphones could fit in a
   lightening adaptor?  You mean there would be a different kind of
   thing to put in a socket?

   I don’t understand this headphone lightening connector thing.  When
   I sell my I phones, I normally sell the headphones as well if they
   are still working by then.

   Kawal. On 18 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
   <listse...@me.com <mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:

   I’m afraid I just can’t quite bring myself to be sufficiently
   moved.  I don’t like planned obsolescence or proprietary standards
   either, but I’m also in the market for a new pair of travel
   headphones, and I actually would love a digital path between my
   iPhone and my headset.  I was not among those poor souls hurt by
   the 30-pin to Lightning transition, because I was not quite so
   silly as to buy expensive equipment with that connector. And,
   yes, electronic waste is a terrible, terrible thing, but I doubt
   Apple will fail to provide a transition for users of the 3.5-mm
   plug.  I know it’s painful, but we do need to move forward.

   JMO.

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