also on the new mac book pros 2015 and newer with no optical drive there is no power button and the old eject button is now the power button > On Feb 15, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > That makes sense. On the MacBook Air, the Power button and the Eject button > are the same. > Cheers, > Donna >> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com >> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Just fyi, this trick also works on the desk top mac, but it’s then control, >> option, command eject instead of power.. >> hth, >> Caitlyn >> >>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> I'd never heard of the Cmd-Option-Ctrl power shut down option. Thanks for >>> sharing that. What a useful trick when you find yourself in a situation >>> where forcing shut down is the only option. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk >>>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Caitlyn, >>>> >>>> Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back. >>>> I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview >>>> pane disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. >>>> Yet another reason to dislike the preview pane. >>>> >>>> Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. >>>> Hold down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the >>>> Power button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup >>>> chime four times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally. >>>> >>>> To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and >>>> press the Eject key. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech >>>>> Caitlyn >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk >>>>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello George, >>>>>> >>>>>> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is >>>>>> not only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! >>>>>> I use Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching >>>>>> to a French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get >>>>>> speech back. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Anne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> do the following >>>>>>> >>>>>>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities >>>>>>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting >>>>>>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix >>>>>>> since this is your defalt set voice >>>>>>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar >>>>>>> and the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice >>>>>>> >>>>>>> close the voice over utility >>>>>>> >>>>>>> how’s that >>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex >>>>>>>> screenreader my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to >>>>>>>> work with is my iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew <ioani...@me.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:ioani...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer. >>>>>>>>> Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action. >>>>>>>>> Andrews problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote: >>>>>>>>> Mark, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't beat yourself up over this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask >>>>>>>>> of you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all >>>>>>>>> you're >>>>>>>>> doing! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu <javascript:>> >>>>>>>>> To: <macvisi...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > Hello Everyone, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to >>>>>>>>> > shut >>>>>>>>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and >>>>>>>>> > recognized >>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, >>>>>>>>> > for >>>>>>>>> > posting offensive language. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in >>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>> > members list of this group, I could not find it. Yet, the posts >>>>>>>>> > continued >>>>>>>>> > to come to the list. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning >>>>>>>>> > home >>>>>>>>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, >>>>>>>>> > change >>>>>>>>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen >>>>>>>>> > in any >>>>>>>>> > groups. So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I >>>>>>>>> > think I >>>>>>>>> > located the right address. Only time will tell. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention >>>>>>>>> > and am >>>>>>>>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech >>>>>>>>> > synthesizer, as >>>>>>>>> > well. Very, very annoying. Like others in this groups, I had to >>>>>>>>> > use my >>>>>>>>> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the >>>>>>>>> > source of >>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>> > problem. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get >>>>>>>>> > through >>>>>>>>> > it. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Mark >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>> > The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>>> > Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>>> > list, or >>>>>>>>> > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>> > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>>>> > itself. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner >>>>>>>>> > is Cara >>>>>>>>> > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com <javascript:> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>>>> > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >>>>>>>>> > --- >>>>>>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> > Groups >>>>>>>>> > "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> > send an >>>>>>>>> > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>>>>>>> > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> > <javascript:>. >>>>>>>>> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>>>>> > <https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>>>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>>> > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>>>>>>> Cara Quinn - 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