also on the new mac book pros 2015 and newer with no optical drive there is no 
power button and the old eject button is now the power button
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> That makes sense.  On the MacBook Air, the Power button and the Eject button 
> are the same.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just fyi, this trick also works on the desk top mac, but it’s then control, 
>> option, command eject instead of power..
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anne 
>>> 
>>> I'd never heard of the Cmd-Option-Ctrl power shut down option.  Thanks for 
>>> sharing that.  What a useful trick when you find yourself in a situation 
>>> where forcing shut down is the only option.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>>>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Caitlyn,
>>>> 
>>>> Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back.
>>>> I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview 
>>>> pane disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. 
>>>> Yet another reason to dislike the preview pane.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. 
>>>> Hold down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the 
>>>> Power button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup 
>>>> chime four times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally.
>>>> 
>>>> To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and 
>>>> press the Eject key.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
>>>>> Caitlyn
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk 
>>>>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello George,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is 
>>>>>> not only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! 
>>>>>> I use Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching 
>>>>>> to a French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get 
>>>>>> speech back.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anne
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> do the following
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>>>>>>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>>>>>>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix 
>>>>>>> since this is your defalt set voice
>>>>>>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar 
>>>>>>> and the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> close the voice over utility
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> how’s that
>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex 
>>>>>>>> screenreader my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to 
>>>>>>>> work with is my iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew <ioani...@me.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:ioani...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer. 
>>>>>>>>>  Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
>>>>>>>>> Andrews problem.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mark, 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask 
>>>>>>>>> of you. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
>>>>>>>>> you're 
>>>>>>>>> doing! 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Chris. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu <javascript:>> 
>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisi...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>>>>>>>>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> > Hello Everyone, 
>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
>>>>>>>>> > shut 
>>>>>>>>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
>>>>>>>>> > recognized 
>>>>>>>>> > it 
>>>>>>>>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, 
>>>>>>>>> > for 
>>>>>>>>> > posting offensive language. 
>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in 
>>>>>>>>> > the 
>>>>>>>>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
>>>>>>>>> > continued 
>>>>>>>>> > to come to the list. 
>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning 
>>>>>>>>> > home 
>>>>>>>>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, 
>>>>>>>>> > change 
>>>>>>>>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen 
>>>>>>>>> > in any 
>>>>>>>>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I 
>>>>>>>>> > think I 
>>>>>>>>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention 
>>>>>>>>> > and am 
>>>>>>>>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech 
>>>>>>>>> > synthesizer, as 
>>>>>>>>> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to 
>>>>>>>>> > use my 
>>>>>>>>> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the 
>>>>>>>>> > source of 
>>>>>>>>> > the 
>>>>>>>>> > problem. 
>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
>>>>>>>>> > through 
>>>>>>>>> > it. 
>>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>>> > Mark 
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