YesScott, I completely and totally agree, but I must say … Can you please say 
under pants and not the other. lol
Thank you very much.
Gary
On Feb 18, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:

> I do have to say, I didn’t even  notice it.  It always amazes me how quickly 
> people can et their panties in a bunch.  Not saying that happened this time 
> but a little f bomb here and there really isn’t the end of the world.  If 
> that message offended anyone I would hate to see how they would react to the 
> average work place let alone my work place.  The language is extremely salty 
> and really is in the professional world in general.  As in all things, time 
> and a place and all that but boy it seems especially on blindness groups our 
> filters are set a little fine.
> 
> Just my take, I’m likely wrong and to be clear I am not in any questioning 
> the moderation, his list his rules like em or lump em, I’m just questioning 
> in general our sensitivity to language.  It’s pretty arbitrary.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> here is an alternative: if you are going to cuss (or are tempted to), start 
>> quoting william shakespear. He had some nice insults that were artistically 
>> done and they don't lead to the use of profanity. :)
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2016, at 7:06 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Terje,
>>> 
>>> Your post to this list, using profanity, is unacceptable.  Do not, under 
>>> any circumstances, use profane language when posting to this group.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 1:26 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg
>>> Subject: Re: To The List About The Recent Spam
>>> 
>>> Yeah, very strange. I am fascinated about how the fuck can this be 
>>> possible? Turned off my voice over. Some kind of script maybe. To me it is 
>>> surprising and interesting how it can be done, but most of all i don’t want 
>>> to excperience it again. Very bad.
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 17. feb. 2016 kl. 22:04 skrev Marie Lyons <mlyons...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> I can’t seem to correct it. I went in and unchecked checkboxes but I still 
>>> have 3 voices. I guess what I’m needing is step by step instruction. I have 
>>> a call in to accessibility support for follow-up on the spam issue.. 
>>> Perhaps he can help me solve this. This didn’t seem to be a place to save 
>>> changes.
>>> 
>>> Marie
>>>> On Feb 17, 2016, at 4:12 AM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In VoiceOver utility, under speech category, set all your voices to Alex 
>>>> and Alex to be your default voice.  It seems as if somehow the 
>>>> announcements are made by a different voice rather than default.
>>>> 
>>>> hope this helps.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 23:10, Marie Lyons <mlyons...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> V/O F8 doesn’t do anything on my computer. Well since then I wound up 
>>>>> with 3 different voices. Alex reads the message but Victoria and Fred 
>>>>> seem to make the announcements.  I don’t like this.  I have no idea why I 
>>>>> can’t fix it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marie Lyons
>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:18 PM, CJ Daniel <cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marie,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Press VO-F8 to launch the VO Utility.  VO-Shift-DownArrow on the 
>>>>>> Category table.  Arrow to the Speech option.  VO-Shift-UpArrow to stop 
>>>>>> interacting & move right to the voice options.  Press VO-SpaceBar to 
>>>>>> select it. Down Arrow to the Configure option.  Pick any other voice 
>>>>>> than Alex, Bruce, or Fred.  Wait for it to download & then select it.  
>>>>>> That’ll do it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You see there’s an ass on the list, who has figured out a string of text 
>>>>>> that, when inserted into the subject line of an email, causes Alex to 
>>>>>> shut down.  It’s real cute.  I hope he reaps what he’s sown.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CJ
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Marie Lyons <mlyons...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My v/o keeps shutting down.  What can I do to fix it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marie Lyons. I had called disability support and they couldn’t 
>>>>>>> figure it out.  Help greatly appreciated
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marie Lyons
>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:55 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string 
>>>>>>>> to shut down the Alex screen reader this morning.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
>>>>>>>> recognized it as one that I had just banned, last night, from the 
>>>>>>>> V iPhone list, for posting offensive language.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in 
>>>>>>>> the members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the 
>>>>>>>> posts continued to come to the list.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon 
>>>>>>>> returning home about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the 
>>>>>>>> user and first, change his/her posting privileges and then remove him 
>>>>>>>> from the list.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen 
>>>>>>>> in any groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come 
>>>>>>>> through but I think I located the right address.  Only time will tell.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention 
>>>>>>>> and am doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech 
>>>>>>>> synthesizer, as well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this 
>>>>>>>> groups, I had to use my Windows computer with a non-mac screen 
>>>>>>>> reader to discover the source of the problem.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
>>>>>>>> through it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>> 
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