Aleeha,
I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could agree
more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work. You cannot
know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support you until
the very end through this mess.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aleeha Dudley" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac
with VoiceOver
That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by
distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third,
you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done
so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same
list as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you
never had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you
have one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life?
I should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no
way you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to
work one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be
getting one because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't
get to be paid. Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their
time, energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS
certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of information,
costs just over what it would to get two hours of training from myself. I
find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book
at some point and will gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to
right now, but I will not pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge.
Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another awesome book.
Aleeha Dudley
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <[email protected]> wrote:
I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
asks. Contact me if you want it.
On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. so,
why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <[email protected]> wrote:
There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth
anything to you or your family?
I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
producing this guide,
They've worked hard to put it together,
And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
Mac with VoiceOver
Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book
is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than
sharing beneficial knowledge.
On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
[email protected]
Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
true?
On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
I see both sides of this argument.
On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for
something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful
knowledge.
Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this
priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable
prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever
tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
DFTBA!
John D. Lipsey
mail: [email protected]
Twitter: @J_TGL
On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <[email protected]>
wrote:
This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge
which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially
able or not.
On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have
a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I
was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>.
Devin Prater
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful
people on
this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
clearly knows it inside-out.
Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge
into an
eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has
published
it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains
over
40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
application.
You can learn more about the book here
<http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>.
Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely
meets a
real need out there.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org>
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