Simon, why don’t you run a Unix variant on your servers and just be done with it. Much greater stability, great remote access and to say it’s tested and true for decades is an understatement.
OSX server is just Unix with a pretty wrapper. > On Mar 24, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Interesting, > > I'm only really getting started with macs but the hardware is excelant and > the OS brilliant, but I can't go past the windows OS and jaws for power use > with my servers, however most of that would be due to lack of time with OSX > server. > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 1:32 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event > > Well look it’s not entirely Microsoft’s fault. I’ll be the first to bash the > folks in Redmond but in this case the NFB had a lot to do with it as well. > There were payoffs made by certain screen reader manufacturers to the NFB to > have the NFB protest the creation of built in accessibility. After all, Ted > Henter doesn’t make any money if Apple and Microsoft give away screen readers > for free. You will also note there were several hit pieces against Apple > written by the same organization. It’s just Apple ignored them. > > So Microsoft of course by now should do more but there’s history there. > > Apple also always had a soft spot in a lot of us older blind folks heart > because it was likely one of the first somewhat accessible computers we used. > The Apple 2 series had all sorts of add on voice synthesis cards that > started to open the door for us. It’s how I started. > > >> On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:07 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> Scott, >> >> Would you say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there >> is an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to >> correct the issues. >> Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of >> the box. >> What do Microsoft do for us? >> >> They always leave it up to the third parties. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:37 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event >> >> It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers. Remember their >> attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:) >> Remember the antenna issue. It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user >> holding the phone the wrong way according to apple. >> >> You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and >> generally do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big >> listeners. I could be wrong maybe others feel differently. Apple though >> was always to me that closed black box that just works and solves a problem >> I didn’t know i had. >> >> >>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would >>> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be >>> developed without a demand? >>> Vaughn >>> >>> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing >>>> until there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my >>>> co-workers got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure >>>> out why. It was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made >>>> calls just as well. >>>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 >>>> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy >>>> but they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered >>>> interface. >>>> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. >>>> Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch >>>> just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but >>>> needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we >>>> haven't realized where it's going to go. >>>> >>>> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most >>>> devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and >>>> thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens >>>> to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really >>>> hitting commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt >>>> Apple would want to get into that space. It does make sense to have >>>> a removable brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade >>>> when brain 2.0 comes out. >>>> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the >>>> the brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate >>>> components in AV systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it >>>> and the player dies, then what? >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best. Sales >>>>> have almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries >>>>> Apple when you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone >>>>> exclusively. >>>>> >>>>> And you m are good points but I counter with where has been >>>>> anything in the last 5 years. Ok larger screen, incrementally >>>>> faster processors. Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other >>>>> guys haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that >>>>> was better to start but that’s only going to get them so far. I >>>>> agree it doesn’t have to be earth shattering overtime but once in >>>>> the last >>>>> 5 years would be nice. The watch is a maybe but when that’s all >>>>> you can point to that’s just sad. >>>>> And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part. >>>>> Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:). I shorted a >>>>> large hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed >>>>> out of >>>>> existence.:) Excellent and well presented points though, >>>>> definitely something to think about. >>>>> >>>>> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to >>>>> come by Apple products. I’m a big fan I just hope they can find >>>>> their way again. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t >>>>>> been any significant innovations by any company that has been >>>>>> earth shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have >>>>>> that Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version >>>>>> of SIRI that will do your laundry or make you coffee. >>>>>> Realistically, I don’t think we’re going to have any major jump in >>>>>> technology for some time to come, so if you think every Apple >>>>>> event or Google event or Microsoft event is going to present >>>>>> something so truly awesome, you probably will be left a bit >>>>>> disappointed. We might see minor jumps here and there, but the >>>>>> curve is going to be relatively fixed for a while. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was >>>>>> important for Apple. There are areas of the market that these >>>>>> products now fill for them and for companies, it’s about the >>>>>> revenue stream. It might not have been Mac refreshes or anything >>>>>> that directly impacts the blind, but they will sell the new iPads >>>>>> and iPhones and a lot of them too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Take Care >>>>>> >>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>> Director >>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>> <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> >>>>>> >>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >>>>>> >>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>> >>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Rod Skene <skene...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:skene...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, >>>>>>> dictation, and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me. >>>>>>> I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch >>>>>>> from my 6S plus to the new smaller four-inch phone. >>>>>>> Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as >>>>>>> well. Overall there are several new features and a piece of new >>>>>>> hardware that really interests me. >>>>>>> Rod >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley >>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com <mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers >>>>>>>> are our own worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, >>>>>>>> in June from WWDC and then again in September/October. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. >>>>>>>> I just got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay >>>>>>>> each month and can get the latest and greatest phone are >>>>>>>> becoming the thing but at some point I’m afraid we’ll get to >>>>>>>> that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything unless it >>>>>>>> shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I hope >>>>>>>> that made sense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe >>>>>>>> they don’t necessarily need to have one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and >>>>>>>> innovative. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? >>>>>>>> How do we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying >>>>>>>> anything about projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That >>>>>>>> goes for any company. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what >>>>>>>> it was and over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this >>>>>>>> 24-hour news cycle world, can only lead to disappointment…unless >>>>>>>> Apple sends me that space Black Milanese Loop band for saying this. >>>>>>>> Jenine Stanley >>>>>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com <mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood <kc5...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:kc5...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am >>>>>>>>> kinda glad I didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at >>>>>>>>> Christmas, when the predictions were that a new version would >>>>>>>>> be released this spring. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jenny Wood >>>>>>>>> Phone: (972 989-3894 >>>>>>>>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com <mailto:kc5...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI >>>>>>>>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming, Sometimes gets me >>>>>>>>> in trouble too. >>>>>>>>> But the truth is, >>>>>>>>> I could no more stop dreaming, >>>>>>>>> Than I could make them all come true.” >>>>>>>>> — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados >>>>>>>>>> <sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did. The event seemed to >>>>>>>>>> be a total waste of time. Watch bands, really? You wanted >>>>>>>>>> time out of my afternoon for watch bands? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce. 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