When I turn off the Apple TV, I go to settings, and Click Sleep Now. It turns off the Apple TV, and our TV. then, when I press the remote, it automatically wakes up the Apple TV and turns on the actual TV. It's great! Donna > On May 24, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't remember seeing turning on TV as an option, where is that? > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan Cohn > > On May 23, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com > <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: > >> I actually love that feature. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On May 23, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Touching the remote or some how triggering any of the buttons or touch >>> surface will power up your TV if you have that feature enabled under >>> settings. >>> >>> >>>> On May 23, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember reading something about people's TVs turning on at inopportune >>>> times, such as the middle of the night. This was shortly after the new >>>> version came out, and whatever it was, it was not a neighbor causing it. >>>> Unfortunately, I don't remember what the problem was caused by. Googling >>>> around might find you something. We haven't had that happen with ours yet. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On May 22, 2016, at 11:57 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yeah but why would apple tv lturn on if it’s just downloading something, >>>>> surely that could happen on the device without your tv having to turn on? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >>>>> Sent: Monday, 23 May 2016 3:28 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: couple of questions re Audio descriptions on NetFlix >>>>> >>>>> Oh! That makes sense. I certainly prefer that explanation to Simon's. It >>>>> would be kind of creepy if your neighbor really could turn on your TV. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On May 22, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Are TVs do that too. We have three AppleTV fourth-generation units, and >>>>> two out of the three TVs randomly turn on. My guess is it does that when >>>>> tvOS wants to download Ariel screensaver videos. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>>>> >>>>> On May 22, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hmm. That's interesting. Yesterday afternoon our TV came on for no >>>>> apparent reason. Now I'm wondering if we have one of those neighbors >>>>> too. I wonder how it is that that happens? >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On May 21, 2016, at 10:49 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com >>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I’m not keen on the fact that one of my neighbours can turn my tv and >>>>> apple tv on, it appears that my neighbour I’m not sure which one, also >>>>> has an apple tv that turns on my tv and apple tv at all kinds of time day >>>>> or night. >>>>> >>>>> I’m trying to find out if I can stop it at all. >>>>> >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2016 7:53 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: couple of questions re Audio descriptions on NetFlix >>>>> >>>>> It took me a while to get the hang of it, especially when I was entering >>>>> our emails and passwords for our different accounts. But once I did, it >>>>> worked like a charm. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On May 21, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I still don't love the touch surface. I'm obviously somewhat retrograde >>>>> in this area. It just doesn't work consistently for me. That is why I am >>>>> so grateful for Bluetooth keyboard support. >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 21, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Wow, it took a couple of minutes to get used to the new remote, but this >>>>> is really slick. Love love love the touch surface! Definitely worth the >>>>> upgrade, even if it does mean we miss out on the 5th Gen. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On May 21, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Nah, I was wondering if you could use your Mac as a BT keyboard. Sounds >>>>> like you can't, but no biggie, we have some BT keyboards around here >>>>> somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> Can someone clarify which is the menu button and which is the home >>>>> button? Pressing buttons on the remote isn't producing consistent >>>>> behavior. >>>>> TIA, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On May 21, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Pair with a Mac? Not sure what you mean there. But yes, you can pair the >>>>> Apple TV with a Bluetooth keyboard. Ours is paired with my older style >>>>> Apple Bluetooth keyboard. You can do airplay from the Mac. But I don't >>>>> think that's what you meant, is it? >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 21, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yep. We actually checked the model number, and it was in fact a second >>>>> GEN. I was quite surprised. Sorry for sending everyone on a wild goose >>>>> chase. :-) >>>>> >>>>> We are now the proud owners of a fourth GEN Apple TV! :-) >>>>> >>>>> One question, what's the deal with the keyboard? Can a pair with the Mac >>>>> or does it need to be paired with a dedicated Bluetooth keyboard? >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 21, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Donna. Yes, it looks like your AppleTV is a second generation model. >>>>> Even then, that's not how you activate audio descriptions and Netflix. >>>>> It's done within the Netflix app itself. Press the center button on the >>>>> remote, and hold it. Whatever you're watching will stop, and voiceover >>>>> should let you navigate the screen. There's an audio tab, and in that tab >>>>> there should be a choice for audio description. If you don't see it, you >>>>> definitely have a second-generation Apple TV. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>>>> >>>>> On May 21, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You know, I'm not seeing any of this. All I see is Voiceover, Use Pitch, >>>>> Speech rate, Accessibility menu--which only seems to include VO and >>>>> captioning. I would have sworn it was 3rd gen, but now I'm starting to >>>>> wonder if our Apple TV is a second Gen after all. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On May 20, 2016, at 5:44 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Audio Descriptions is a setting located in >>>>> settings, general, accessibility. It is the second option under the media >>>>> heading. There are lots of interesting options / features now in the >>>>> accessibility screen of settings. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email:dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 21 May 2016, at 00:44, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I also don't see any place to adjust this on my phone. the only thing I'm >>>>> seeing under settings pertains to cellular data usage and streaming >>>>> quality. Where do you find the accessibility options in the phone app? >>>>> Both my Apple TV and my phone have the latest updates. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On May 19, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com >>>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes to both, and in both cases, it's basically the same. Go to Settings > >>>>> General > Accessibility, and find/enable "use audio descriptions when >>>>> available". From there on out, iTunes/Videos will play descriptions for >>>>> any content you have that includes them. >>>>> On May 19, 2016, at 08:56, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I've never been one of those people who has to have audio-described >>>>> content, but I was watching a show last night where it would have been >>>>> handy. 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