Scott and Donna, I gotta say I'm not a great fan of change but it's part of life and everything is changing technology, the environment or ourselves so it's just a case of getting on with life and finding out how you can best work with the changes or if need be work around them.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, 10 June 2016 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Well Donna, I’ll admit as well though that there are an equal and opposite bunch that do seem to panic and react negatively to change for changes sake. So as in all things there are extreme views on both ends and we all sort of fall somewhere in the middle or sometimes near the edges of the curve.:) I would say in this case that both sides have valid points, I think I come down somewhere much closer to the subscription model but like I said I think enough people at least for the short to medium term will like the old model so both will be supported in some form. Whether we like it or not though, the chances are progressed has already passed us by on this one. Like I said, all the kids now are so used to running everything in the cloud and running thin clients that the idea of anything more than an app is alien to them. I bet we in the older crowd still remember going to a software store where they sold nothing but boxes of software or various upgrades and parts for computers and gaming systems. Gamestop is probably the closest thing to this today. Imagine being in that business today?:) Have you noticed how much lesss space is dedicated to software / disks / media in the large stores now? In a world of Netflix and hulu and apple spodify title Pandora all that where you pay a fee for access to huge libraries why would software be different? It’s a brave new world out there. On 6/9/16, 12:04 PM, "Donna Goodin" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >Thank you, Scott! I confess that I was starting to feel a bit irritated that >there are some on this list who seem to think that because one expresses a >different opinion from theirs that that person is "panicking", "unable to >adapt to change" etc. >Cheers, >Donna >> On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Mary and Donna also raise very good points. I would suspect in the end both >> models will persist for that reason. People will at least for a long while >> still like to own their software and others will lease. As my favorite talk >> show host Gene Burns used to say before he passed, “That’s why they make >> Chocolate and Vanilla”. >> >> >> On 6/9/16, 11:43 AM, "E.T." <[email protected] on behalf of >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Remember that for many, any change is hard at first. Its not until >>> one has hands on that change can be seen as good. >>> >>> I just read the article, most of it anyway. It does make sense. >>> There was concern about managing multiple subscriptions. If its tier >>> based, that makes life simpler. If an app has ongoing value to the >>> user, an annual makes sense. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> [email protected] >>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>> true? >>> >>> On 6/9/2016 7:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>> +1, I don’t see what the big deal is, this model exists today. If >>>> +you >>>> use Microsoft office you’re using this model now. I just signed up >>>> for office 365 and I really like it. I normally am the first to >>>> bash Microsoft and still can in many areas but this office 365 >>>> thing, not bad and 9 bucks a month or $89 per year, that’s totally >>>> worth it when you consider buying office used to be $500 or so and >>>> that didn’t include unlimited upgrades. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Subscription is good, keeps the products developing and lowers the >>>> cost of entry. I think we all tend to forget what stuff used to >>>> cost when we complain now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *<[email protected]> on behalf of Ray Foret jr >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> *Reply-To: *<[email protected]> >>>> *Date: *Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 10:18 AM >>>> *To: *<[email protected]> >>>> *Subject: *Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription >>>> Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Just a minute you guyes. You are paniccing over nothing really nothing. >>>> Read that article very carefully. It does NOT say that all apps >>>> will be subscription based. It only says that they will be if a >>>> developer wants them to be. My goodness, what will y’all panic over next? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the >>>> blind built-in >>>> >>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, >>>> Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is not how I read that article. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> donna >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Daniel Miller <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi. I think you guys are all missing the point. This is only for >>>> subscriptions, not actual apps. Once you buy an app, you won't >>>> have to pay for it monthly. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree. This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so >>>> many apps I've purchased over the years from the app store, >>>> that having to pay for all of them each month could get >>>> incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! expensive. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Christopher Gilland >>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>> Training Instructor. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> *From:* Helga Schreiber >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:28 AM >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: >>>> Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search >>>> Ads >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis >>>> article! so this emans that we will be charge for the >>>> apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is talking >>>> about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we >>>> search something, adds will appear,and then if we get >>>> the apps, we will need to pay a subscription in ordr to >>>> get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! LOL! >>>> I will really appreciate it if someone can clarify tis! >>>> I live in the united States! So if we pay a subscription >>>> will be also for the free apps right? I look forward in >>>> hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! >>>> >>>> Helga Schreiber >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida >>>> Association of Blind Students. >>>> >>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). >>>> >>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. >>>> >>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 >>>> >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 >>>> >>>> 4Life >>>> Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as >>>> <http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx>px >>>> >>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and >>>> only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish >>>> but have eternal life." John 3:16 >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Daniel Miller >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for >>>> users, but keep on keeping on, I suppose yes, the >>>> ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to >>>> adapt. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a >>>> not so great thing for the users. In my case, >>>> if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply >>>> not purchase. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin >>>> Gucukoglu <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to >>>> say, is a PR arm for Apple) just published >>>> this. Link: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store >>>> <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank God ads are only in the States, for >>>> now. But it, and the whole concept of >>>> subscription pricing, is a disappointment to >>>> me, and not what I buy Apple for. Still, it >>>> fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the >>>> other recent things Apple have been doing, >>>> so I probably shouldn’t be surprised. 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