Chris, I've tried jaws 17 on a windows 10 surface pro 3 and I still find it a lot more difficult to use than my iPad. Mind you that might be part of the problem is I'm trying to use a surface pro using IOS gestures
But then what I'm doing with windows is more systems based so a keyboard is better suited anyway. -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 3:38 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra? I'll definitely agree with Simon on the note that touch navigation on Apple products is steller! compared to anything on Windows. I'm not saying it can't be done on Windows with leading screen readers, so don't get that impression. It's just very very difficult, at best. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:13 AM Subject: RE: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra? Hi that's what I thought you'd be using. As for a touch screan mac, Hell already the iPad and IOS are better than the windows equiv which would be the surface or surface pro, At least the IOS operating system is accessible out of the box The surface is a slab with stuff all accessibility Good rant, and I don't use a bag, I just throw up out the window. -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu Sent: Wednesday, 15 June 2016 10:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra? Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :) Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead committed to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation OS is something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and probably you, Scott, as well) really need. A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up very well: > I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX > workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it > into a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS. > > For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech > world, and OS X was his centerpiece. > > Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS. > > I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple > that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now > hope there is a coup happening inside of Apple. > > Woz, where are you? > > Stay strong osxdaily. Yeah. This. A thousand times this. I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own MacBook, in 2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the iPhone was booming. Others here will have used Tiger and maybe even the classic Macintosh. Things have changed a very great deal since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations and Apple became a consumer electronics company. The neglect of the Mac has gone from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale domestic assault. Lion was the start of it, you’re right. I should have seen that. But it did offer exciting new features, and at least one of them, Resume, is noticeably absent on Snow Leopard and Windows. I won’t rehash my views about the systemic degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is perfect no matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I (and, it would appear, many others) thought I was getting something better at the time Lion came out: an operating system that combined the robustness of the Mac with some of that rare, task-oriented simplicity and beauty of iOS. But instead of a pair of operating systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the others’ virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean, mobile platform that’s open enough to be used as a proper computer all by itself, we get a locked-down toy OS that struggles to be taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite the fact that it’s competition is succeeding it in Business (Microsoft Surface), and an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS with nothing to recommend it over the laughingstock that was its former competition, and whose usefulness is severely being compromised by its need to lock you in to Apple’s services, the lack of upgradability of hardware, and the need for Apple’s other ecosystem devices. Oh my, how things have changed … Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed. The Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be inferior because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for doing your computing. Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope with. Apple would cater to the demands of the market, either destroying the Mac’s advantages (say, by hosting services for you) or improving the hardware. The form factor that the Mac represents, especially the keyboard-and-mouse interface, or maybe even the keyboard-and-touchscreen, will be catered for, as will the necessary peripherals. Please dispose of your sick bags in the receptacles provided. :) I’m using VMWare Fusion to run the Mac VM. It’s imperfect (sound a bit stuttery), but it works well enough. You can learn more about “Apple File System” (APFS) here: https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedule/#/details/701 Per-object and metadata encryption, sparse files, de-duplication on copy, low-overhead crash safety, snapshots, atomic directory renames … good show. And yes, a very big improvement over HFS+, indeed. :) Just now, using APFS (on disk images and external devices) is a dangerous and advanced business, fit only for people who have good backups and command-line foo. If you follow that link, you’ll find documentation. If you Google it, you’ll find lots of geeky insights, which will really work for you if you like that kind of depth of understanding. Testing is limited to data files; Time Machine isn’t supported yet, you can’t export to AFP (HFS legacy, that) and you can’t actually boot the system from an APFS volume group. But Apple says that stuff is coming. Object recognition in photos, like grouping pictures based on related objects, and identifying particular objects. I’d be interested to see how this manifests itself in VoiceOver: whether, for instance, we will hear descriptions of positively-identified objects. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. 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