Kawal, you are letting the propaganda get to you.
We in the US have a much more optimistic view of what will happen to you. Our financial channels have been wall to wall covering your exit. The doom and gloom being stated by the elitists before is being replaced with things like great buying opportunities and way to push back regulation. All the folks who try to keep us down have egg on their face this morning and it’s fun to watch. Our democrats are nuts, they want to disarm us and make us helpless. This is combined with an equal and opposite attack by the right on our rights to do process. The establishment does not have our interests at heart no matter the side of the isle. The right and left in my country compliment in such a way that only we the citizens get screwed because our rights are under attack from all angles. One side sticks up for the rights they support but equally try to disrupt the ones they do not. Nobody supports our bill of rights equally the way they should any more in power. Trump is just a symbol for our frustration. We want someone who can’t be bought off and trump can’t he’s already got the money.:) Hillary is beholdent to everyone who paid her and her husbands foundation. She shows more loyalty to the Saudi royal family than she does her own constituents. I am no trump fan and equally I am no Hillary fan. I am one who wishes we had more parties that had real power instead of just on paper. Personally, I’d love to see Gary Johnson (former Governor of New Mexico and a Libertarian) win the office but I’m realistic to know that to many in my country are afraid of real freedom and it will never happen. Do not put any weight on the manufactured gun issue. That’s a total media fabrication designed to attack our second amendment. Half the mass shootings you hear about are staged or influenced by nefarious elements with in our country that wish to see the population disarmed. We have strong rights to self defense and guns but all weapons really in this country as a direct result of our split from Britain and the revolution of 1776. There are forces working to undermine everything that our forefathers saught to create. Just like they are doing the same or rather they tried to do the same to you. In America the majority feel you showed real backbone. Come on Texas Exit! would that be a Texit? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> Reply-To: <[email protected]> Date: Friday, June 24, 2016 at 9:04 AM To: Macvisionaries <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well So today, I have very anxious feelings of what will be for Britain next? Scotland wishes to leave and may be we get the reunification for Ireland so where does this leave the rest of the UK, England and Wales? I just hope inflation and interest rates will not rise and present risks to our livelihoods. I deplore British citizens saying that this vote was worth people losing their jobs. I have been feeling very emotional and upset because of some selfish people in society. I voted to remain like I said and on TV at the moment there are those who are still arguing as to what happens next and the rest of the EU saying that there will be consequences. How can the world heal, come together and be more tolerant? Then Mr Trump changing his tune to fit the circumstances. American are also in some difficulty as the Democrats had a sitting in congress to get gun laws but the republicans say no so there is no unity in the world and at present I am worried about how things will pan out for the world. Sorry this is pessimistic but I live for the long term and not the short. I am a deep person and take seriously the world’s problems to heart. Kawal. On 24 Jun 2016, at 13:05, CHUCK REICHEL <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Scott, Sorry to hear about your loss. :( As for England I also will raise a frosty mug of Sam adams and celebrate and wait till "november" here in the USA for the same! GOD Bless America! Home of Apple! :) Talk soon Chuck On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:58 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Well I’ve been riveted watching this all day, I’m going on 24 hours here, it’s also a welcome distraction to some really really bad stuff happening on my family level right now so forgive me if I use your country’s politics as a distraction.:) My grandmother oddly enough who is the connection to Britain for me passed after 96 years on this rock and it’s all closing in on me now that I am only one of 3 left in our family and the other 2 are on the shorter end of their lives than longer so I’m feeling a bit freaked out and my numbers are dwindling down to 0 so if I get in the weeds you get it. To give you an idea why I feel such a connection with your country my family on my mother’s side came to this country fairly recently. My grand mother and grand father came over to this country on boats I believe before world war 2 and settled on the east coast as well as Detroit. My great Grand father, mother’s grand father actually worked on your crown jewels. I have jewelers drawings hand made by him used to create some of the items in your tower of London today. I’ve frequently thought about giving them to one of your museums if you’d have them but I have no idea their value or if they represent any thing special to the British people or even what or who should have them. It’s this man’s daughter, my grand mother who passed this morning. She taught me so much about your part of the world from your money to telling me stories about my cousins who I don’t know but sell fruit in fruit stands somewhere in London or another husband and wife relation of ours who I met once years ago and don’t know exactly how they fit but they own a sweater company in Scotland. I remember these people coming to visit us and my Grand Father who is from Whales loved taking them to sites around the north east US where we americans beat back the British during the Revolution.:) He loved giving the English side of our family a real ribbing about the revolution when they would come to visit. In the same breath though, my grandfather served during World War II and I know always talked about the Brits he served proudly with. I say all this because I’m not the only one. So many of us have such connections to your island. So understand when you say all in together and all that, I consider very much we folks on both sides of the pond on the same team. BTW, BBC and ITV just called it in favor of leaving I’m shocked but you’ve definitely made things interesting over here. Your vaporizing my financial holdings as I watch this, thanks guys☺, but I’m in, I wish we could shake off our oppressive federal government like you all just did the EU. The rebel in me feels a real connection to your side right now. Not for racial reasons, not for fear of any group but for self determination, self rule, beating back the huge corporate and global interests that do not have your country’s best interest at heart. I know the economic arguments made against you leaving and I say bunk. You’re a strong country, you do not need the approval of brussels to get through your day. The UK alone is a massive economy, thankfully you never wrapped your self in the Euro so your pound will carry on. I will buy many of your pounds when they tank over the next few days because the fears are irrational and I will do well as will you all doubling down on yourselves. So folks in Florida or Texas, if you wish to break away from the union let me know, I’ll move down and join you.:) I feel like blasting dixie and blasting a few hundred rounds in the air in celebration of someone, finally, beating back the powers of globalization and centralization of regulation with out representation. In stead so I don’t get labeled a racist or arrested for making to much noise or being armed in the US I will hoist a cold one in your country’s honor. To my Grand Mother Jean and to the fine people of Britain, stay or leave, way to go! Nicely done and all that on all counts. I drink a Sam Adams beer from the Boston Brewing company in your honor. The irony is not lost on me nor is it lost o nme that I’m siding with the tories.:) And the associated press just called it and someone is pounding on Borris Johnson’s door trying to wake him up. Great stuff! CNBC just called it in favor of leave also. Wow, I’m shocked! On 6/23/16, 6:11 PM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: Mmm, your president does seem to have quite a fascination with teats, doesn’t he? :) Regardless, I imagine his comments did more to inflame the Brexiters than to encourage the Bremainers. But, as it happens, I too hope to remain. The worst part about it is that it’s based more or less purely on pragmatism rather than principle: the far-right government now in power will only use Brexit to lurch even further to the right, without our delightful, if meddlesome, friends in Brussels to prevent them by (undemocratically, it’s true) arriving at sensible and socially just policy decisions on the merits. The hypothetical independent state of Britain, in a climate of establishment neoliberalism and first-past-the-post voting, seems distantly unlikely. And as a believer in more EU unification in any event (Turkish parents), I can’t say I feel too bad about that. Better together, and all that jazz. :) Still, I do wonder what that hypothetical Britain, under the rule of a democratically elected liberal government, would look like. It’d be cosy, but would it make me happy? Initially, probably. Maybe we could make it work at the negotiating tables where decisions are made. But I’d feel bad for the other EU member states, and the project. We’d be turning away everything it, and all of the men, women and children in its member states, represent. My individualistic side says it makes no difference as long as I’m living in the exact same country; my squidgy insides say otherwise. No, the EU isn’t a utopia, but by remaining, at least we can fix its faults, which is something a lot of Brexiters seem completely reluctant to take any interest in doing. And maybe we can one day look forward to a truly united Europe. So maybe it is about principle, after all. :) Well, we shan’t have long to find out, at any rate. 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