Scott, thank you for a strong but thoughtful post. I agree completely, and I
thank you profusely for speaking out. I think the list is no place for
evangelism of any kind. I realize that for some faiths, it is an obligation, a
duty. But a mailing list should not be a place for anything other than its
intended purpose.
Christine
> On Jul 5, 2016, at 6:56 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> We know you’re a pretty smart and very valueable member of this list and your
> input is appreciated.
>
> But any chance you can can this posting, it’s really getting out of hand and
> way off topic.
>
> Think of what we’re all having to go through, add up the number of emails
> that yourself and others posting into the communications have actually posted
> and where is it getting people other than frustrated?
>
> Think of the number of hours youself and others in this posting have spent
> bitching and moaning about what is right or wrong acording to the gossiple of
> yoruseves.
>
> Just saying, enough enough guys and girls, can’t we get back on track.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2016 5:12 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: welcome to Jupiter and you know what's sad
>
> This is the last I will publicly comment on anything relating to the
> religious angle of the headphone thread as preposterous as that sounds.
>
> The sad thing is the zealots who inject their comments in apple threads or
> suffering through a litany of bible verses and other nonsense unasked for in
> a list like this, we’re a lot closer than we think.
> I’m going to start with our Current pope who is very open to
> Science. He’s recently stated that it’s possible that the big bang and
> evolution are the tools used by God for creation. The Catholic Church now
> spends massive amounts of money researching astronomical events. It’s my
> understanding they have their own observatory, I know that there is a very
> Senior position in the Vatican for a science advisor and yes, the Catholic
> church has even not only spoken about extra terrestrial beings they have
> funded parts of the research for that intelligence. This very same pope has
> mentioned that it’s very possible that other life exists in other places and
> in his words we are not the only instance of God’s intelligent creations.
> I’ll buy that! Unlike the extremists who throw us in to wars or speak about
> our own citizens with as much hate as the Taliban I am as a science minded
> person totally open to the idea that an intelligent force could be at work.
> I have no proof for it and I personally don’t think it’s the most likely
> solution but I have no proof against. This means, to truly support the
> scientific method I must be open to proof (real proof Chuck not just
> arbitrary markings on outdated calendars) for the existence as well as
> against the existence. I say I’m an atheist because we need an extreme
> statement to cut through the noise but honestly, I don’t know. I’m a very
> strong I don’t know.
> IF we quote from our Christian friends book that we’re constantly
> bashed over the head with there’s a little verse 1:16 I’d like to bring
> attention to.
>
> "This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like
> chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel
> intersecting a wheel." (Ezekiel 1:16)
>
> As an inhabitant of the twenty first century that sounds more like either the
> representation of a theoretical 0 point energy device or (E.T. I hope you’re
> sitting down)(nah I know you know this one) a means of transportation.
> Similar could be said for the Burning Bush. This sighting represents
> primitive man’s attempt to understand something outside the ability of his
> current understanding. I think he did a pretty good job especially if you
> continue on with that whole section. Humans had just about as much ability to
> describe advanced aircraft back then as they did a Microwave oven, it was all
> magic.
> In other parts of the world, our Hindu friends for example
> speak of wars in the past fought in the sky. There are places in South East
> Asia where there are deposits of silicates that appear to be the result of
> nuclear detonations. You can buy Trinitium glass today from the test site in
> White Sands that has the exact same characteristics of what’s found in rock
> samples from 100,000 years ago. Another explanation for their visions are
> comets pelting the earth. These would look like and have the similar effects
> to high yield explosives. In 1908 such a fragment hit the earth in Siberia
> and flattened thousands of square miles of trees looking like a bomb had been
> set off at high altitude above the area. That’s in fact what happened. A
> huge chunk of ice hit the atmosphere at 30,000 MPH and blew up like a bomb.
> This happened again over a town in the former Soviet union 2 years ago and
> injured thousands and that rock was only the size of a VW Beatle. As we
> grow, our understanding should grow. We should be more rational.
> When the Christians kill the brown people for believing
> differently and the brown people kill other brown people and the white people
> for not buying their special brand of hate and the white man profits (heh)
> from it all it’s very very sad. Thankfully, the Christian Fringe like the
> Phil’s and Chuck’s of the world are a dying breed. There’s been a 24%
> reduction in religiosity in America since the close of the twentieth century,
> a much higher increase in Europe and even our modern religious leaders are
> expanding their view.
> In case you all don’t realize, I’ve read your book, and an
> English translation of the Moslem book (I’m sorry I don’t speak any middle
> eastern dialects sufficiently), the Satanic Bible (which is more of a
> satirical book), I personally own a Salvador Dolley illustrated / Alister
> Crowley annotated Book of the Dead (autographed), a Joseph Campbell
> autographed Campbell’s Mythology, a Teachings of Don Juan, Terrance McKenna
> Invisible Landscapes and his other works on eschatology, and a fair bit of
> far eastern writings to many to mention here. So I’ve read fairly
> extensively on the subject just to try to understand where you all are coming
> from. I can just bet that the Phil’s and Chucks of he world haven’t bothered
> giving my side equal time. Even such minds as Einstein spoke in terms of
> intelligent design of the universe. Sure, quantum mechanics undid a lot of
> that and proved that Einstein’s god was a habitual dice player but the
> open-mindedness was there. It’s not on the opposing side of the argument
> with so many.
> I don’t mind arguing these points in fact I like it but in
> it’s proper place. Don’t assault me on technical mailing lists. Don’t force
> your views on me on public transportation. Stop waking me up on Sunday
> morning when I’m hung over. Stop injecting it in your tag lines rubbing the
> world's face in your special brand of narrow mindedness. Stop trying to get
> me to pay for your viewpoints in the public square and I won’t expect you to
> pay for mine. Just stop it. You alienate so many by your actions. So many
> cry and wonder why their churches are empty and it’s because the best you can
> do are arbitrary marks on bank documents. BTW, the one that counts, the all
> seeing eye, that’s another Deist symbol, represents in some minds all gods or
> in others the great architect of the universe. Could represent the universe
> itself and it’s inherent intelligence. So stop writing about Fore Fathers and
> their beliefs, they weren’t writing about yours.
>
> The moderators should institute a no bible verse, no anybody verse policy and
> no more injections of religious nonsense in apple related or headphone
> related threads please. No really please, take it else where, I’ll happily
> discuss it but in it’s proper place, please!
>
> I’m done and if Phil wants to make any more personal comments then I’m really
> done and you can rot in hell which by the way was a concept created in the
> 1850S not in earlier versions of Christianity. But I digress.
>
> And if I’m to be Moderated then I’d only ask that equal moderation happen as
> it’s as offensive for me to have to filter through the garbage as it is for
> the other side to filter through my responses.
>
> And all this while we enter in to orbit around Jupiter. One of the highest
> expressions of our technical ability, science and humanity, exploration,
> growth, learning and peaceful. Not to do it for money or fame but because
> it’s there, because we drive to explore. This whole contrast and thread has
> made me very sad. But hey, we did something right tonight in spite of it
> all… Welcome to Jupiter! Congratulations on a successful orbital injection.
> Not bad for some former tree dwellers and not for nothing at least it gives
> me some real hope.
> The end!
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