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On 7/31/2016 11:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
The NFB seems more concerned that Nemeth math not be superseded my UEB math, though at least two states are teaching UEB Math so much for a "common core", On the other hand, I think I saw mention of a multiline braille display that uses liquid to create dots. I am curious how well that would work, and wonder if and how standard Screen Readers would handle the ability to have non-linear braille output. Best wishes, Jonathan CohnOn Jul 27, 2016, at 2:45 AM, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Jonathan, Wow! You've done some serious research. Thank you. About an hour or so, ago, I received a message from Freedom stating that they are researching this issue and will have some information for me, shortly. Again, given that UEB has been in effect around the world for years, I find it difficult to believe that this is still an issue. Something just doesn't make sense to me. Think about it, having a refreshable Braille device properly display type form indicators, grade indicators, or even, capital passage indicators is among the most basic elements of UEB. How can the NFB, AFB, or (insert name of Braille entity) not have addressed this? I swear, I think I am in the middle of the Twilight Zone. I keep expecting to wake up at any moment (smile). Mark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: To Unified English Braille Readers Well, liblouie 3.0..0 just came out with better support for UEB appearing to be the main difference from the 2.6 releases that have been available for a while. I understand that FS uses liblouie for its translation, so perhaps this update is what was needed for attributes to appear on the Windows side. For Macintosh my sleuthing appears to indicate that they are using the Dux service. In 10.11.5 there is the following file in the OS: Duxbury: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures /System/Library/ScreenReader/BrailleTables/Duxbury.brailletable/Contents/MacOS/Duxbury (for architecture i386): Mach-O bundle i386 /System/Library/ScreenReader/BrailleTables/Duxbury.brailletable/Contents/MacOS/Duxbury (for architecture x86_64): Mach-O 64-bit bundle x86_64 I kinda wish I had found liblouie there, but in any case, we can look at the capabilities of the underlying translator as the most we can expect out of a specific screen reader. Best wishes, JonathanOn Jul 26, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Scott Davert <[email protected]> wrote: Sorry to say, but no displays and no screen readers are currently supporting the format indicators as far as I'm aware. Quite disappointing indeed! Scott On 7/25/16, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:Hello Caitlyn, Yes, I have tried almost every configuration I can think of, including enabling Status cells in the VoiceOver Utility. Mark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: To Unified English Braille Readers Do you have status cells turned on? I am thinking that you have to set this up in the braille options of the vo utility on the mac. Not sure about windows… CaitOn Jul 25, 2016, at 2:38 AM, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: Quite Correct, E.T. So far, I cannot get type form indicators to appear on the display on either the Mac or via Jaws in Windows 10. The U, E, B, contractions and so forth appear correctly but I want to see the bold, italic, etc indicators, also. I'm going to put in a call to Freedom Scientific, tomorrow. Hopefully, they can clue me in on how to accomplish this. Mark -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of E.T. Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: To Unified English Braille Readers If a braille display is connected to the Mac to be used as a display, it will rely on the Mac for translation. In other words, it matters not how the Focus is set up. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Are We Alone in the Universe? [email protected] On 7/24/2016 7:49 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:Mark, Did you change a setting on the Focus or on the VoiceOVer braille settings? I did find the binary that does braille translation for the Macintosh appears to be based on Duxberry if that makes any difference. FS appears to have moved to LibLouis for their Braille translation in UEB.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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