Okay, thanks. I'm a bit surprised that the usual way of performing multiple selections doesn't work for this, but at least there's a way. Is your book on iBooks, by the way?
Have you, or anyone, ever encountered this situation? I have an image container, and sighted people told me my image was cut off at the bottom. I checked, and the option to scale images is selected. Eventually, we figured out that you can move the image within the container using the mouse, or VO, by double clicking the container. If using VO, you have to then choose the new, untitled window from the window chooser and move the slider. Anyway, is there a way to get images to start aligned at the bottom, not the top, and to get a warning if the image is too big for the container? What is the option to scale images for, if not to fit images to the container they're in? Everything else in Keynote seems accessible, but this part isn't. VO warns you if your container is "partially hidden", but not if the image inside the container doesn't fit right. > On Sep 12, 2016, at 02:42, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Alex, > > Once again, all this is explained in my Pages book. > > To select more than one object using VoiceOver, turn cursor tracking off > (VO-Shift-F3), navigate and bring the mouse to each object in turn, and > shift-click using the physical mouse or trackpad. Use VO-F6 to check that the > right number of items is selected. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > >> On 11 Sep 2016, at 22:10, Alex Hall <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Thanks, that does help. I wish there were a way to change the item hints to >> also use inches when referring to distance from the top/left of the slide, >> but this is better. >> >> Hopefully this'll be my last question for a while, but how might I select >> objects? I was reading that you can do what I was hoping--bind them to move >> as one, set spacing, space themselves evenly, and so on--but you have to >> select them first. As shift and arrow keys move items rather than selecting, >> how else might I go about this? Vo-cmd-enter? (I'm not in front of a Mac >> with Keynote to try it right now.) >>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:55, Anne Robertson <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> hello Alex, >>> >>> You’d find it easier if you changed the Ruler setting in Keynote >>> Preferences to either inches or centimetres. You can then focus on the >>> whole slide and do VO-Cmd-F3 to learn the size. This will also help when >>> positioning items on the slide. Points are completely useless when you have >>> to figure everything out blind, as it were! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 11 Sep 2016, at 13:57, Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, I'll have a look there. Speaking of sizes and points, how big are >>>> slides? That is, if an image element is 1080 points tall, how much room >>>> does that leave on the overall slide? It's not too bad to get the size >>>> information and imagine where things are in relation to each other, but in >>>> relation to the absolute boundaries of the whole slide is harder, not >>>> knowing the dimensions. I find myself very much wishing for Xcode-like >>>> layout tools, so I could pin items to edges, define separation between >>>> items, lock items together so they move as one or align their top or side >>>> edges, and so on. Would that be easier!! >>>>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 07:47, Anne Robertson <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Alex, >>>>> >>>>> To resize objects, the easiest way is to go to the Arrange Formatter >>>>> where you can change size and position easily. It works the same way as >>>>> in Pages. When you can’t see the slide, you have to do a lot of >>>>> calculating, but it can be done. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Anne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 11 Sep 2016, at 11:34, Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You're quite right. Since then, I spent some time with a sighted person >>>>>> so I could get visual feedback as I played around. They also gave me >>>>>> general tips on Keynote. I found hints, or vo-shift-h, on objects were >>>>>> very helpful, and that arrows or shift-arrows move by one or ten points >>>>>> respectively. I'd been using VO's "move object" command, which works but >>>>>> is less convenient than the built-in commands. >>>>>> >>>>>> My main question now is how to resize things. If I want to make an image >>>>>> smaller, how would I do it? I can't figure out the VO command for >>>>>> resizing, as I don't understand the grid or area menus and can't do >>>>>> anything even once I choose one. Still, Keynote makes it more possible >>>>>> than I expected to make a decent powerpoint while blind. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 04:11, Anne Robertson <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Alex, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You’re asking an awful lot of questions in one message and you haven’t >>>>>>> given yourself much time to find the answers. >>>>>>> Use VO-Cmd-F3 and VO-Cmd-F3-F3 to get an idea of the layout of the >>>>>>> slide. >>>>>>> If you have my book on Pages, you can find out all about shapes and >>>>>>> what you can do with them. >>>>>>> As for finding yourself back at the top of the slide, I’m not sure >>>>>>> what’s going on there. >>>>>>> One thing I would say is never use Quick Nav when editing slides, in >>>>>>> fact, don’t use it when editing anything. I consider Quick Nav to be a >>>>>>> reading mode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 20:40, Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> I tried this a few years ago, but am again trying to make a slideshow >>>>>>>> for a presentation this Friday. I have questions, not surprisingly. >>>>>>>> I'm on the latest Keynote under 10.11, but I also plan to edit this on >>>>>>>> my iPhone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * In the 'body' area, I wrote a list of items. If I arrow to the >>>>>>>> bottom of this text field and then down arrow once more, I'm at the >>>>>>>> top of the field all of a sudden. Why? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * The default slide includes a title and a body. Should I just put my >>>>>>>> text in the body, or should things go into text fields? That is, how >>>>>>>> oxo you decide between a lot of text in one field and less text in >>>>>>>> multiple fields? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * How do you move items after you initially place them and exit the >>>>>>>> move mode? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * How, as a blind person, can I make better sense of my layout? The >>>>>>>> numbers are a good start, but I can't picture how it all comes >>>>>>>> together. I also don't know when text fits, or if I need to scroll. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Speaking of which, how do you know how much text fits in a text box >>>>>>>> or other item? Or do they grow as you type? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Is there any point in inserting shapes? Can you put text in them or >>>>>>>> something? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that's all for the moment. 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