The problem is, new bugs are cropping up that were not in the beta.  This is 
freaking ridiculous!  See my post on the Siri male voice, and apparently the 
guy at Accessibility I just spoke with was able not only to reproduce it, but 
he sent a message out across their internal chat system, and about 10 people 
responded during our call saying they, too, could reproduce that issue.  My 
point is, things are seeming with the official build, unlike the beta, to be 
getting way worse, which is surprising.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: maurice.mines 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 3:59 PM
  Subject: Re: iOS 10 Bug Report: Please Join Me in Sending This VoiceOver Bug 
Report to Apple Regarding the Phone App


  I was part of the Beta test, and this occurred rarely for me. So I don’t see 
a reason for me to amplify this. Because I think it would be tough for them to 
replicated my try going to the Genius Bar instead. To see if you can get the 
issue fixed 6s.  so that might make a difference in how I’m thinking about 
this. Hope this helps, Maurice.

    On Sep 15, 2016, at 12:54 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


    The rotor selects between functions for the single-finger vertical flick. 
It is, essentially a control panel for voiceover during normal operation. For 
instance, when reviewing what one is reading, setting rotor to characters, 
words, or lines, determines the amount voiceover reads per vertical flick. 
Twisting the rotor to language then allows changing of voiceover speaking 
language. Turning the rotor to text selection allows highlighting of text. 
Turning the rotor to edit allows selecting action to perform on the highlighted 
text. I am writing this response using braille screen input, which I activate 
by turning the rotor to braille screen input.

    David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
    Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
    Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
    Sent from my iPhone

    On 16/09/2016, at 06:32, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:


      Never used reorder.  What exactly does it do?

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Sep 15, 2016, at 2:26 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:


        Hello Everyone,

        Please join me in sending a VoiceOver feedback report to Apple 
regarding the
        fact that VoiceOver users can no longer reorder Contacts listed in the
        Favorites area of the Phone app.  Also, the Delete buttons are no longer
        VoiceOver accessible.  Just so you know, using the VoiceOver Rotor, one 
can
        delete a Contact from this list, however the Delete button displayed to 
the
        left of each individual Contact item is inaccessible.

        I have already written the report so all you need to do is to paste it 
into
        a new email, either in its entirety or modified as you see fit.

        [BEGIN REPORT]
        Subject:  Reordering Favorite Contacts Control No Longer VoiceOver
        Accessible in iOS 10.

        In iOS 10, unlike in iOS 9.x, when VoiceOver is enabled, the user cannot
        reorder Contacts in the Favorites area of the Phone app.  

        To reproduce this bug:

        1.
        Make certain that you have multiple Contacts selected as a Favorite.

        2.
        With VoiceOver enabled, open the Phone app.

        3.
        Select the Favorites Tab.

        4.
        Select the Edit button located near the upper right corner of the 
display.

        5.
        Even though the reorder controls are visible on the display, they are 
not
        VoiceOver accessible.  It should also be noted that the Delete controls 
are
        also visible but are also inaccessible via VoiceOver.
        [END REPORT]

        Thank you,

        Mark

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