I haven't upgraded my Mac yet. But I wonder if the difference that you guys are 
experiencing, where Scott can't confirm, and the other two of you do, has to do 
with whether you are still using classic view or the new view, which isn't all 
that new anymore actually.
Mary


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> On Sep 20, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
> 
> Confirmed and it's really annoying.
> One thing that helps a little is the return of preview when you're arrowing 
> through an open conversation. This means I don't have to open every message 
> and lose my place.
> Jonathan Mosen
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>> On 21/09/2016, at 8:04 AM, matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.  Now that os 10.12 is out I can safely share a bug in mail that has 
>> been driving me crazy since the beta.  While in threaded view, voice over 
>> will jump you to the last message in an expanded thread.  For example, if 
>> you are looking at a thread with 12 messages and you delete say the first 
>> message in the thread, you will be taken to the last message in the thread 
>> and you will have to go back to the top.  If you  are on a thread with 2 
>> message, you are placed either in the next thread or message depending on if 
>> it is a group of message or a single message and again this is after you 
>> delete the message in the thread.  If anyone else is seeing this is there a 
>> way to get around this without disabling conversation view?  I am going to 
>> cc accessibility at apple on this so they can see this as well.  I had 
>> reported this in the beta cycle, but still is not fixed.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
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