Great question, yes they would be on the same network.  The head end cable 
device will be the one providing the services and the airports will be 
providing bridging or access point like functionality only.  Everything should 
see everything else.
 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:
> 
> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
> be able to see each other.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>> input your ideas.
>> 
>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
>> bridge mode.
>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>> 
>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>> access point side.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>>> 
>>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bam, Tim scores!
>>>> 
>>>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>>>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
>>>> IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>>>> don’t mind?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the 
>>>>>> Airport Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is 
>>>>>> in Bridge mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put 
>>>>>> their devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>>>>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>>>>>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>>>>>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>>>>>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is 
>>>>>> set to Bridge mode.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>>>>>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
>>>>>> its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is 
>>>>>>> probably locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>>>>>>> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time 
>>>>>>> capsule set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out 
>>>>>>> addresses inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if 
>>>>>>> memory serves.
>>>>>>>         Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule 
>>>>>>> connection.  Does the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying 
>>>>>>> to have each time capsule reach the cable modem directly through the 
>>>>>>> hub or is the hub attached to a LAN port on the time capsule inside 
>>>>>>> ports and then the other time capsule is attached to that internal hub 
>>>>>>> segment.  Makes a big difference which way.
>>>>>>>         If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the 
>>>>>>> port on the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at 
>>>>>>> a time with out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>>>>>>>         If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head 
>>>>>>> end you should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for 
>>>>>>> testing).  In this mode the second inside time capsule should be an 
>>>>>>> access point only.  There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport 
>>>>>>> receive it’s inside address from the nat head end and also not hand out 
>>>>>>> any of it’s own addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that 
>>>>>>> make sense?
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on 
>>>>>>>> the network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within 
>>>>>>>> your house, Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then 
>>>>>>>> not using public IP address space then you will not be able to get 
>>>>>>>> your configuration to work properly.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
>>>>>>>>> somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them 
>>>>>>>>> which is the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables 
>>>>>>>>> then connect to a Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet 
>>>>>>>>> cables through a hub and then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge 
>>>>>>>>> mode.  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
>>>>>>>>> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time 
>>>>>>>>> Capsule to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same 
>>>>>>>>> SSID name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, 
>>>>>>>>> and the other serves the second half.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode 
>>>>>>>>> itself, although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the 
>>>>>>>>> firmware to allow me to do so.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Tia,
>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode 
>>>>>>>>>> as in my case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport 
>>>>>>>>>> Extreme handles all the DHCP and Firewall stuff.  Any other devices 
>>>>>>>>>> are either set to extend or as a roaming extension depending on how 
>>>>>>>>>> you have things set up.  Anything that is connected to your ISP 
>>>>>>>>>> router with an ethernet cable can be configured to the same SSID, 
>>>>>>>>>> thus roaming kinds of interaction happens.  Devices that connect 
>>>>>>>>>> wirelessly, normally extend the network.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you go into Airport Utility and check on the Status of your Time 
>>>>>>>>>> Capsules, you may be able to determine the issue.  So, in AU, access 
>>>>>>>>>> the Time Capsule, then interact with the Scroll area, there should 
>>>>>>>>>> be a Status table there that should note the issue.  I expect that 
>>>>>>>>>> it is likely a double NAT issue which Scott's suggestion will fix.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:17, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> BY time capsule I assume you mean airport router?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Here’s how it should be set up, you should have your ISP router as 
>>>>>>>>>> the head end as you do now.  Next, you should set the airports in to 
>>>>>>>>>> bridging mode or as access points so you’re not using them to route. 
>>>>>>>>>>  Set the addresses assignment to dhcp for the local address for each 
>>>>>>>>>> so your main router can hand them addresses.  The big important part 
>>>>>>>>>> here is you make sure routing is disabled and they are transmitting 
>>>>>>>>>> your routers network and not forming their own.  Let me know if that 
>>>>>>>>>> helps any.  If you detail a bit more how things are connected I will 
>>>>>>>>>> be glad to be much more specific.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Jeff Berwick 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailingli...@berwick.name <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Today is my day for messages :)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have two Time Capsules on my home network and one router from my 
>>>>>>>>>>> internet provider.  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> In the extras bar, it says I have 4 of 4 bars, but my son says that 
>>>>>>>>>>> they are greyed out and that they have an exclamation mark.  I can 
>>>>>>>>>>> ping through my network all the way to the ISP’s modem, but can’t 
>>>>>>>>>>> get anything outside my home through ping or on the internet.  If I 
>>>>>>>>>>> move closer to my older Time Capsule, everything is fine; however, 
>>>>>>>>>>> if I am using my newer Time Capsule, this is when I get the 
>>>>>>>>>>> problems.  So, I am pretty sure it is something with my newer Time 
>>>>>>>>>>> Capsule.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This is an intermittent problem.  Any networkers out there have any 
>>>>>>>>>>> ideas on how I can test/fix this issue?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thx,
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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