Hi there, The surface book, is supposed to be a laptop. The problem with it, is when you hold it on your lap, [LAPTOP] if you are not very careful, it will fall backwards. The screen is too heavy for the device. Thus, a good laptop, the surface book does not make.
That is why I believe Apple will not go that route. I pray that I'm correct on this. Warm regards, Brandt Steenkamp Sent from my Macbook Pro Contact: Phone: Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 <tel://+27605259181> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 <calto://+27781205013> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp> > On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:09 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Brant, > > I actually really like the idea of the Surface tablets. Honestly, the last I > tried, touch support with JFW and with NVDA wasn't the greatest on my Surface > 3, but keep in mind, that's an older model. > > I don't think the Surfaces were really meant for full fledged laptop use. I > mean, OK, I... suppose... you could do it, but, why? They're more meant as a > mobile tablet, and, look at the 4 Pro's and what not. They actually do! come > with a full keyboard if you twist the screen around the oppisit way. Now > that, I could! see Apple doing. Making a macbook with a keyboard that you > could twist the display around and collapse into a tablet. Now that! would be > freaking awesome! But yeah, I echo everything else you said. Otherwise, that > would be monumentally dumb! I don't know I'd go so far as stupid, that's kind > a strong, but I'd definitely! agree it wouldn't be the smartest idea. > --- > Christopher Gilland > JAWS Certified, 2016. > Training Instructor. > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Phone: (704) 256-8010. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Brandt Steenkamp <mailto:[email protected]> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups. >> com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:02 AM >> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over >> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 >> >> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far. >> >> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you >> reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the >> keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing >> we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely cannot be >> classified as stupid. >> >> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the >> greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a >> dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely >> used when on your lap? Seriously? >> >> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Brandt Steenkamp >> >> Sent from my Macbook Pro >> >> Contact: >> >> Phone: >> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 <tel://+27605259181> >> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 <calto://+27781205013> >> >> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp> >>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the >>> keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. >>> Thus the iOSification will be complete. >>> >>> Randy >>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Chris, >>>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on >>>> the iPhone now, >>>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on. >>>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see >>>> how that goes for us. >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark >>>> Gilland >>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice >>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 >>>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, >>>> so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me. >>>> --- >>>> Christopher Gilland >>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>> Training Instructor. >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Ray Foret jr <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice >>>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 >>>>> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press. From the >>>>> look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for >>>>> was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID. IN >>>>> other words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, >>>>> you tripple press the touch ID. >>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>>> built-in >>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, >>>>> >>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless >>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user! >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner. See the >>>>>> comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago. >>>>>> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a >>>>>> quick turn around on this question. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>> From: Apple Accessibility <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 >>>>>>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT >>>>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and >>>>>>> Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures >>>>>>> users already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the >>>>>>> information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, >>>>>>> hold the Command key and triple-press the Touch ID button. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apple Accessibility >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit: >>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ >>>>>>> <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/> >>>>>>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility >>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/accessibility> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user >>>>>>>> activate voice over independently with out an F5 key. Is there a >>>>>>>> replacement for command F5? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P.S. Thank you all for your hard work. I use Macs every day in my >>>>>>>> professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible. 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