Hi, Chuck: CHUCK REICHEL writes: > Hi Janina, > Interesting? > do you have a link to this study?
I've lost the specific pointer because you need to download a PDF for all the statistics, but the study I refer to comes from the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law which tracks these issues on an ongoing basis: https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud > While growing up in Pittsburgh PA I personally experienced voting fraud. > In fact theres still a empty "ballot box" sitting in my "democratic sister's > garage at her house! > BTW they use to use paper ballots and put them into a metal box with handles > on the sides and transport them to down town Pittsburgh to be counted after > the poles closed. > The Rub is in pittsburgh which was a heavily "democrat" city some times the > ballot box never made it down town if it was coming from a Republican > district! > My Grand mother worked for a Democratic city commissioner and my mother > worked a voting pole every election, in the south hills of Pittsburgh. > I could send you a picture of the box at my sisters garage but that wouldn't > be of any benefit to the list! ;) I'm not sure what you're saying here? What does an empty ballot box demonstrate? Are you implying your ancestors stole it at some time in the past and emptied its contents in the Ohio river? What exactly do you contend possession of an empty ballot box proves? Surely the county knows how many boxes were distributed, and therefore whether any particular box was unaccounted for on any given election day. In fact, I'd bet the box has identifying data on it. Does it? > BTW I'm a independent just to set that straight! > So Scott is correct! Ah, I'm not seein ght econnection. You need to connect the dots, as the saying has it. Cheers. Janina > Talk soon > Chuck > > > On Nov 8, 2016, at 2:50 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote: > > > Quick comment on dead people voting ... > > > > Tain't so. The simple fact is that nobody goes through voter rolls to > > remove names when someone dies. There's no such job in government. The > > simple fact that a dead person's name remains on a voter roll doesn't > > mean someone actually manages to vote by impersonating them. > > > > Yes, people have tried, and sometimes succeeded, but very rarely. The > > count is in the low hundreds out of over a billion votes (that's with a > > b as in boy) over multiple elections according to a recent study. > > > > Scott Granados writes: > >> Kawal, so much for trying to keep this apolitical. That aside, the sad > >> fact is there is a real case to be made for the election being fixed. > >> > >> 1. There are over 24 million registered voters who shouldn’t be. These > >> are either people who are not citizens, people who are dead, people who > >> are registered in more than one location and so forth. > >> > >> Next, there have already been cases of people’s votes being misrecorded on > >> file. In Texas for example, there have been cases of trump votes being > >> changed to Clinton votes by the software. > >> > >> Now to be fair and balanced, on the republican side, there have been > >> cases made for voter suppression especially of the African American vote. > >> > >> Some examples of presidents who were elected via fraud include John F. > >> Kennedy and Lindon Johnson. The corruption in Chicago famously assisted > >> JFK in his election bid. LBJ also benefited from fraud in Texas. So, > >> there’s an actual verifiable history of this in the country. > >> > >> We also have video tape of democratic operatives this year advising the > >> Clinton folks how to circumvent the voter registration system and how to > >> bus people in to areas with out being detected. > >> > >> Now, all that being said there’s some good news in this front as well. > >> More people are watching than ever before. There are 800 government > >> operatives fanning out across the country to verify the integrity of the > >> election. On top of this there are thousands of volunteers on both sides > >> and individual themselves are being more vigilant in insuring their votes > >> are recorded correctly. So in the end I think this will not be a problem. > >> > >> I can tell Kawal though that you need to really broaden your media > >> sources. The idea of voter fraud is not a conspiracy theory or off > >> balance, there’s a long history of it including in recent times. Do I > >> need to remind you about the 2000 election? You may not be familiar but > >> there were real shenanigans during that election. I’m not sure how much > >> play that got in the UK but whole blocks of ballots turned up uncounted > >> and some even washed up on shore.;) So neither party has the monopoly on > >> truth or honesty. Most of the claims that you’ve made about Trump though > >> are factually untrue which leads me to think you’re getting a lot of that > >> government spoon fed BBC media which is in collusion with the media in > >> this country. Likewise there's probably a lot about Hilary that hasn’t > >> made it your way do to the same filtering. Unfortunately, the days of > >> Walter Cronkite and a certain level of impartial journalism are dead. Fox > >> news is as guilty of slanting their side of the story as is the BBC and > >> big 3 American TV networks, we won’t even discuss the papers. It’s very > >> difficult to get reliable news and important now more than ever to use > >> multiple sources with diverse viewpoints and then interpolate the truth > >> from diverse sources. > >> > >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> If trump does not get his way he'll say the election was rigged and if he > >>> does not accept the vote, where then for America? > >>>> On 8 Nov 2016, at 15:34, CHUCK REICHEL <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, > >>>> I agree! > >>>> extra size your rite to Vote! > >>>> Many people died to keep us free! > >>>> Yes my Dad shed his "blood" fighting the socialist in germany to assure > >>>> us this basic freedom here in the USA > >>>> GOD Bless the USA! :) > >>>> the land of the free and the home of the brave! > >>>> Chuck > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 6:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> For our friends in the US, > >>>>> Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it that > >>>>> way. Get out there and vote today, do your civic duty regardless of > >>>>> your party / candidate / beliefs just get out and have your voice heard > >>>>> if you haven’t already. > >>>>> Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling place, > >>>>> Lyft has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and Google also has > >>>>> the means to arrange a ride for you and provide some credits to get to > >>>>> your closest polls. the parties are offering rides and volunteer > >>>>> services as well. > >>>>> Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available today > >>>>> to voters. Keep that “I voted” sticker and Krispy Cream will give you > >>>>> a free donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving free coffee, and > >>>>> many small businesses are having election day promotions that include > >>>>> discounts or out right freebies. > >>>>> Remember that many service men and women have fought and died > >>>>> for your right to vote so let’s not let them down and make sure we take > >>>>> advantage of our most powerful expression of our freedom, our right to > >>>>> vote. Now get out there and be safe everyone. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>>> Visionaries list. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > >>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > >>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list > >>>>> itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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