Cool thanks for this Chris, 

I'll take a look at this.

TC
James
On 14 Dec 2009, at 20:15, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Ahh, wasn't aware of that. According to
> 
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mac:Accessibility#How_to_build_Firefox_with_accessibility
> 
> you can build a version with the VO accessibility turned on, at least to the 
> extent they've implemented. Has anyone tried this?
> 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Mac_OS_X_Prerequisites
> 
> Unfortunatly the last update from HÃ¥kan Waara is from November 2006 so I 
> would hope there is a lot more in the build.
> 
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mac:Accessibility_Tasks
> 
> CB
> 
> James & Nash wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris
>> 
>> You wrote:
>>> While the core is cross-platform, their accessibility hooks are going to be 
>>> proprietary such as MSAA on Windows. This same proprietary dev work will 
>>> have to be done for Mac, Linux and other platforms.
>> 
>> It has been done for Linux and Orca - at least as far as Firefox is 
>> concerned. 
>> 
>> TC
>> James 
>> On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:55, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> While the core is cross-platform, their accessibility hooks are going to be 
>>> proprietary such as MSAA on Windows. This same proprietary dev work will 
>>> have to be done for Mac, Linux and other platforms.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> James & Nash wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Joel,
>>>> 
>>>> You wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>> I think Thunderbird il continue to be  basically inaccessible until the 
>>>>> Firefox accessibility issues are fixed.  I would think they would trickle 
>>>>> down to Thunderbird in time as happened on the windows side.  
>>>>>     
>>>> 
>>>> I think you may be right. Due to Mozilla's applications being cross 
>>>> platform, they cannot natively gain access to the accessibility that Apple 
>>>> has written into OSX for VO. I know that there is a specific developer 
>>>> working on this issue, but he needs more help. He needs to create all the 
>>>> accessibility bits and pieces by hand in order for Voice Over to be able 
>>>> to access FireFox and supposedly Thunderbird correctly. This is not the 
>>>> case with Orca on Linux, but I'm not sure why.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH
>>>> TC
>>>> James 
>>>> On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:35, Joel Zimba wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   
>>>>> I think Thunderbird il continue to be  basically inaccessible until the 
>>>>> Firefox accessibility issues are fixed.  I would think they would trickle 
>>>>> down to Thunderbird in time as happened on the windows side.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I used to use Thunderbird and it was a great mail program.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joel
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>     
>>>>>> I noticed that the final 3.0 release of Thunderbird 3 for MacOSX came 
>>>>>> out last week. Last I read the betas were not accessible with Voiceover 
>>>>>> (just MSAA/Windows). Has anyone tried the real release and found any 
>>>>>> difference?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CB
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