1. W1-chip with iOS 10 sounds like a beta preview of what Bluetooth 5 will offer too all BT-compat devices 2. Narrator On later versions of Windows 10 has improved greatly, is robust, and customizable. It's excellent that the big 4 Tech leads have native screen reader on mainstream oS: Google ChromeVox Next on Chrome OS, Apple Mac VoiceOver, Microsoft Narrator on Win10+, Amazon Voice View on Fire OS.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:58 AM Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: > Remember that the NFB forced Microsoft to stop development for it’s own > screen reader for years. That being said, yes, serious development has > gone back in to narrator and accessibility by Microsoft in general. They > have been hiring a lot of blind engineers specifically to work on improving > the product from our perspective. I’ve even heard of fully talking > installs being possible now using narrator. > > > On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:11 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Has narrator actually improved sense it first came out? When I first > started doing it, it was crap, and as one of our computer teachers at the > rehab center for the blind, as they called it back in the day in Daytona > Beach said “it’s something microsoft developed to cover their hiny.” > >> On Dec 16, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote: > >> > >> And then of course there is Narrator! > >> > >> A built in screan reader, or is that voice from my windows computer. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto: > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Erik Burggraaf > >> Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016 6:28 AM > >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: Re: Is development for OS Over? > >> > >> The nfb has been on the new paradigm bandwagon ever since their > ill-fated review of VoiceOver in iOS many years ago. In fact, the last two > conventions have featured almost nothing about old Paradigm screen readers. > >> They are still clinging to some old products like humanware Hardware. > >> Basically though, built-in screen readers are not only here to stay, > but in more ways they are undeniably more effective than old bolt on > Technologies. > >> Any attempt to suppress such a Viewpoint at this juncture would be so > counterproductive that it could gut an organization like the NFB. You may > believe this or you may not, but in fact, reputation is everything to the > NFB. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Erik > >> > >> Sent with AquaMail for Android > >> http://www.aqua-mail.com > >> > >> > >> On December 16, 2016 11:47:16 AM Scott Granados < > scott.grana...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Wow, the NFB wrote something positive about built in screen readers? > >>> Did someone see 4 horsemen around here somewhere? > >>> > >>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 7:58 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Yes, Android development is interesting. > >>>> > >>>> Someone in the US NFB posted a blog post comparing TalkBack and > VoiceOver. > >>>> The author loves the fact that Android is very configurable. The > >>>> author also comments a fair amount about many more unlabeled buttons. > >>>> > >>>> The author admits that it takes a few attempts each time to activate > >>>> the angle gestures, which call up the global and local menus. So, the > >>>> author usually does not use the global and local menus. Well, not > >>>> using these menus is similar to not using the rotor in VoiceOver. It > >>>> would make things more difficult, unless one merely uses basic iOS > functionality. > >>>> > >>>> Given that I use my iPhone to run my business, I would not be able to > >>>> do so with an Android device (I have two of them). I need the > advanced functionality. > >>>> > >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On 17/12/2016, at 00:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I think we should with hold that opinion until the next round of > >>>>> phones, the 10th anniversary version is supposed to be a radical > change. > >>>>> > >>>>> Then again though, why change something that works? Performance > >>>>> improvements and such are great but really the platform is pretty > >>>>> good. I hear people make these claims but my point is who’s doing > better? > >>>>> Definitely not Microsoft, windows 10 sucks, Google is doing > >>>>> interesting things but behind the curve, Linux is also interesting > >>>>> but pretty specialized for we engineering and systems folks. Who > >>>>> has a better option right now? For all the griping we have on list > >>>>> try using an Android device and get back to me.:). People are > >>>>> catching up to Apple so I hope there is a jump ahead but they still > aren’t there. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:34 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I believe development is continuing in both OSX and IOS > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The rumour a couple of years ago was that apple were working to > >>>>>> combine both OS so that they have one operating system on all > devices. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hints of this are able to be seen in the two operating systems now, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Calendar, contacts, reminders, etc, They used to be called things > >>>>>> like address book, iCal iChat etc. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> iCloud drive between devices and multiple platforms, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> keep an eye out things wil be changing but I do have to admit I > >>>>>> believe apple have somewhat stopped moving forward with enovated > >>>>>> designing and this I believe is simply Steve Jobbs was the enovator > >>>>>> and currently no one else in apple is showing the ability to think > outside the box. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton > >>>>>> Miller > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, 16 December 2016 1:38 PM > >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Is development for OS Over? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There will be a new line of iMacs coming out sometime next year. > >>>>>> They delayed them, cause they need to find a way to put the touch > >>>>>> bar on the keyboard that ships with it. Personally, nothing > >>>>>> exciting has changed since mavericks, but they foot print is > >>>>>> getting smaller, just glad updates are free, based on the lack of > >>>>>> changes we have seen. From what the reviews and reports say about > >>>>>> the 2016 MacBook Pro, they probably should have waited on those too. > >>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Just a question for you all. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Please note I don't test beta's as I don't have time but have been > >>>>>>> wondering is development over for the Mac OS? For the last six > >>>>>>> years since I've used the Mac, only small things have changed. I > >>>>>>> as you most know, use a Mac and Mac Mini as I don't have any need > >>>>>>> for a portable machine. Apple bring out new lap tops but they > >>>>>>> don't bring out a new desk top so am wondering if Apple are > >>>>>>> finished with the computer side of their OS. They have also got > >>>>>>> rid of their mac safe wire and their airport extremes. I am very > >>>>>>> sad that Apple should want to do this. In fact access technology > >>>>>>> has been standing still since the talking I phone came out. I > >>>>>>> wonder where access technology is going. I want something new to > excite me as I use to get excited over new technology but these days it's > the same old, same old. > >>>>>>> I don't think an new I phone will grip a blind person any more so > >>>>>>> I'm wondering what is next to make us so crazy. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Kawal. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>>>>> Visionaries list. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > >>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please > >>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on > the list itself. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach > mark at: > >>>>>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > >>>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > . > >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>>>> Visionaries list. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > >>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please > >>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on > the list itself. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach > mark at: > >>>>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > >>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>>> --- > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>>>> Visionaries list. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > >>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please > >>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on > the list itself. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach > mark at: > >>>>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > >>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>>> --- > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>>> Visionaries list. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > >>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please > >>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the > list itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach > mark at: > >>>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> > >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> --- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > . > >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>> Visionaries list. > >>>> > >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > >>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > >>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list > itself. > >>>> > >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach > mark at: > >>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > >>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>> > >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>> --- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>> Visionaries list. > >>> > >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > >>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > >>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list > itself. > >>> > >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach > mark at: > >>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > >>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>> > >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>> --- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > >> > >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >> > >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >> > >> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > >> -- > >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > >> > >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >> > >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >> > >> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
