These articles are great and show us what's coming down the pipe line.
We have access to a main stream device, why would there just be things
shown from a blindness point of view? Matter a fact that will never
happen before the device is released, because that's not what the main
stream focuses on.

On 8/6/17, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Considering that blindness, including low vision to as good as 20/200
> (6/60), which uses screen enlargement and not usually VoiceOver, is
> approximately 0.5% of the population, I would say that the sighted
> population shares the world with us, often grudgingly. If one wants things
> to be announced and explained from the blindness perspective, there are a
> few products which do most, if not all, of what the iPhone does, that are
> made for the blind. These products are bulky and expensive, but they are
> focused on our tiny market.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 7/08/2017, at 02:44, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>   We share the univers with the sighted population. We are using
>> mainstream devices. Instead of making noise about the lack of blind
>> perspectives, appreciate the advancements coming our way and take comfort
>> in knowing we will not be left behind. If you are apprehensive about the
>> changes, do not yup0grade for a month or three and wait until we get the
>> blind perspective on Applevis.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On 8/6/2017 9:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things with
>>> Voice Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the operating
>>> system came out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need to keep up to
>>> date with what's going on but why is it always a sighted prospective, as
>>> I will learn to do these things with voice over as I simply can't use the
>>> I phone a sighted way.  I'll give you an example.  Most recently when my
>>> father got his I phone, he asked me something about zoom.  I said to him
>>> that I could not understand his question because I did not use Zoom and
>>> could not understand what he wanted to know.  I am around sighted people
>>> most of the day at work as well as with my family as no one is a blind
>>> person there, and thus if anyone wants to know anything about the phone,
>>> I can only explain it in the concept of voice over.  That is what I'm
>>> trying to say, I am only able to concept the I phone with voice over and
>>> I can't understand the sighted way.  I would if I had seen but I have not
>>> and that is why when I read these articles, there is something missing,
>>> my sight and the frustration begins from my side.
>>>
>>> I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am reading
>>> these articles not because I'm not interested, but because I can't do it
>>> in the sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  I will read
>>> everything but the lack of sight is making me miss what I need to do to
>>> use the phone in the way my sighted peers do use it.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Kawal,
>>>>
>>>> First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you,
>>>> I am a visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS and Mac
>>>> OS via VoiceOver.
>>>>
>>>> Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone
>>>> updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology
>>>> news that, sighted or not, affects us all.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will
>>>> continue to post the articles to the list and those who are not
>>>> interested can simply delete/ignore them.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
>>>> To: Macvisionaries
>>>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
>>>>
>>>> Hello Mark.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is
>>>> going to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what
>>>> a sighted person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use
>>>> the phone in the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone
>>>> using Voice Over.  So all these things would be better if we were going
>>>> to learn how to do these things with voice over.  After all this is a
>>>> list for blind users.  If I wanted to know how to use a phone in the way
>>>> that a sighted person did, then I could find that out in other ways.
>>>> I'm sorry but these articles in my opinion do not belong on a blindness
>>>> list like this.  Many others will say other wise but I am a blind user
>>>> using voice over and not a blind person using my phone in the sighted
>>>> manner of a person who has sight and can use the phone in the main
>>>> stream kind of way.
>>>> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to
>>>> understand, what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to
>>>> understand all this.
>>>> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it
>>>> as I will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to
>>>> use my I phone as a sighted person can.
>>>> Kawal.
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
>>>>> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 11
>>>>> expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know just
>>>>> what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest Apple has
>>>>> to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle tweaks,
>>>>> but there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly take some
>>>>> getting used to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notification Center is no more
>>>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that now
>>>>> it's called Cover Sheet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works in
>>>>> the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take
>>>>> action or clear them. Swipe from either edge of the display to launch
>>>>> the camera or view your Today panel.
>>>>> Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent and
>>>>> Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
>>>>>
>>>>> No more Force Touch for quick app switching When Apple announced the
>>>>> iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a pressure sensitive
>>>>> screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly switch between
>>>>> apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
>>>>> With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you
>>>>> want. It's simply not going to work.
>>>>> Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
>>>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled iOS
>>>>> 11 in June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has it
>>>>> too; albeit in very limited situations.
>>>>> In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album
>>>>> instead of tapping around.
>>>>> Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it starts
>>>>> to hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen (or drag
>>>>> the photo to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album you want.
>>>>> Neat, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> NFC is open for all
>>>>> An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with
>>>>> the release of iOS 11.
>>>>> Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC
>>>>> capabilities instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
>>>>> As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will undoubtedly
>>>>> see the option to scan NFC tags to view more information about a
>>>>> product or connect to gym equipment, for example.
>>>>> The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon
>>>>> Marketplace) and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace).
>>>>>
>>>>> Control Center is brand new. again
>>>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> When you swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to view
>>>>> Control Center, you're in for a surprise: The three-panel approach of
>>>>> iOS 10 is gone.
>>>>> Instead, Control Center is a continuous column of buttons. You can
>>>>> hard press on buttons for additional options, and add or remove items
>>>>> from Control Center through the Settings app.
>>>>>
>>>>> App Store has a fresh coat of paint
>>>>> Sarah Tew/CNET
>>>>> A long overdue change to the App Store is coming. With a more visually
>>>>> appealing, interactive design, the App Store looks nothing like it used
>>>>> to.
>>>>> The new design will highlight new apps and developers and looks a lot
>>>>> like Apple Music. Only instead of songs and artists, it's games and
>>>>> apps.
>>>>> Speaking of which, Apple has finally separated the two categories into
>>>>> their own respective sections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Screenshot tool is awesome
>>>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> The process of taking a screenshot, editing and then sharing it is
>>>>> getting streamlined.
>>>>> With iOS 11 installed, when you take a screenshot a small preview
>>>>> thumbnail will show up in the bottom-left corner. Tap on it to markup,
>>>>> crop, edit, delete or share.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original Article at:
>>>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/drastic-changes-coming-to-your-iphone-with
>>>>> -ios-1
>>>>> 1/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>>>>>
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