You guys get off lightly, I just prepurchased the iPhone x 256 and in NZ that goes for $2099 which is a truckload of cash, However I'm trying to sell my 7+ 128 gb which will pay for half the X purchase.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 5:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: iPhone X review: 14 important takeaways from our first 18 hours - CNET Will you Take It (that is Apple's NEW iPhoneX)? If SomeOne gave you the Choice between $1150 or Apple's NEW iPhoneX 256GB? I'd MostLikely take the Money & Purchase Apple's iPhone8 256GB & Keep the Change, which would probably be about $300 At 04:48 PM 10/31/2017, you wrote: > Likewise. If someone hands me an iPhone X I will take it home and use it. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . > "God for you is where you sweep away all the > mysteries of the world, all the challenges to > our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off > and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >E-mail: [email protected] > >On 10/31/2017 3:43 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>Hi, >>Yes, whatever model suits your needs and budget is likely the best. I >>don't have any urge to purchase an iPhone X, but I wouldn't turn it >>down if someone gave me one. I don't find the Face ID to be a >>security problem and I seem to remember a lot of noise about the >>finger-print sensor when it first came out. My main point is to be >>balanced. No need to jump on or off the bandwagon because of someone >>else's opinion. There's so much noise made from all sides whenever >>these new features come out from any of the main stream producers, >>that it just takes time to weed through the excitement, the excrement >>and whatever else there is. >>Later... >> >>Later... >>Tim Kilburn >>Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>On Oct 31, 2017, at 16:33, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: >>"Copy Samsung" is probably an unfortunate phrase. The fact remains, >>even for sighted people, this sounds like a pain. And for us, to make >>it work, you have to give up some security, because you turn off that >>thing where you have to actually sort of make eye contact with the >>phone. So for us, I see plenty of use cases. Personally, next year, >>right when the price goes down, I'm going to get an 8+. >>This just really doesn't have any upside for blind people as far as I >>can see. I know some people will talk about Battery Life improvement. >>But with my 7+, I don't have battery issues. Sure, I'd like a smaller >>footprint. But not at the expense of the convenience that goes with an >>easy method of opening the phone and a home button or even a Home >>capacitive button or whatever those are, to quickly get you back to >>the home screen without a lot of fiddling. >>Mary >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>>On Oct 31, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I highly doubt that Apple will copy Samsung. Apple tends to start a >>>path and keep right on going down that path. All sorts of noise was >>>made about lighting connectors, about the removal of the headphone >>>etc, and Apple didn't go back and re-introduce those features that >>>they removed. There's quite a bit of historical incidences to affirm >>>this. The thing is in many of these cases is that people get used to >>>the new way, and enough time has passed that the old method is no >>>longer as desired as one may have initially thought. >>> >>>We also need to be careful in our assessment of cameras and such >>>being gimmicks. A camera is not particularly useful to most of us as >>>blind iPhone users, but the vast majority of users are sighted and >>>there is a good portion of them that are quite excited about the >>>improvements to the camera capabilities on the iPhone X. One's use >>>criteria is different than another, and labelling things as gimmicks >>>is often just a matter of prospective. >>> >>>If the product is reliable, innovative and useful to many, then good >>>on them. >>> >>>OK, enough said. I'll leave it alone now. >>> >>>Later... >>> >>>Tim Kilburn >>>Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>>On Oct 31, 2017, at 13:37, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>Thanks for posting. I wasn't going to buy in iPhone X. And after >>>reading this, if I'd had thought of it, I would've change my mind. >>>I think Samsung have the right idea with keeping the fingerprint >>>sensor. There are just too many use cases where this could be a >>>problem. And I like Apple Pay and use it a lot. I can't imagine a >>>hassle this would pose. And a lot of the photo stuff sounds like so >>>much gimmicky crap, just the sort of thing you wouldn't really expect >>>a company known for rocksolid user experiences to waste time on, so >>>long as that central experience is it perfected. Oh well. That's why >>>they still make the iPhone eight series. Maybe next year, depending >>>on how this goes, will make something that will at least incorporate >>>the things that Samsung has with a Home place on the screen to tap on >>>and A fingerprint sensor for those who would continue to like touch >>>ID. You certainly can't use this phone in your pocket. At least you >>>have to take it out to unlock it. >>> >>>Mary >>> >>> >>>Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>On Oct 31, 2017, at 11:41 AM, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>CNET News - Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 3:38 AM iPhone X review: 14 >>>>important takeaways from our first 18 hours - CNET The iPhone X >>>>feels like a concept car, or a secret project. That's because of the >>>>X name, probably, and the legacy of 10 years of iPhones. It's also >>>>the fact that this is an optional step-up model -- like an 8 Plus >>>>Plus, but smaller. It's a bold new design, different after three >>>>years of each iPhone looking very much the same. >>>>I love new technology and the wild ideas that come with it. I love >>>>to be immersed in new concepts. But I'm also practical when it comes to >>>>tools. >>>>Will I use a fully rethought phone? Will it work for me when I need it to? >>>>My phone is my mission critical everything. It's my Indiana Jones >>>>hat. Will Face ID work as well as the trusty Touch ID home button? Will I >>>>feel safe? >>>>Ultimately the all important question is simple: Is this the >>>>must-have upgrade? Should my mom get it? Should my sister? My >>>>brother-in-law? My best friend? You? >>>>I've spent 18 hours with the device to begin to answer this question. >>>>Consider this a living review that we'll be updating throughout the >>>>week -- and beyond -- as we test, retest and experience the iPhone X. >>>> >>>>Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone X: Our first day with Apple's >>>>biggest phone ever >>>>3:26 >>>>Face ID works pretty well... >>>>You've been able to unlock an iPhone with Touch ID using your >>>>fingerprint since 2013. The original iPhone shipped with a home button a >>>>decade ago. >>>>Apple's making a big leap by getting rid of both in one fell swoop >>>>and replacing them with Face ID. Your face -- or a passcode -- is >>>>the only way to unlock the iPhone X. >>>>Face ID worked well in early tests. Setup is quick: Two circular >>>>head twists and the iPhone adds your face to its secure internal >>>>database. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>Unlocking isn't automatic. Instead, the phone "readies for unlock" >>>>when it recognizes my face. So I look at the iPhone, and then a lock >>>>icon at the top unlocks. But the iPhone still needs my finger-swipe >>>>to finish the unlock. >>>>It's fast, but that extra step means it's not instantaneous. Face ID >>>>did recognize me most of the time but sometimes, every once in a >>>>while, it didn't. >>>>I tried the phone with at least five of my coworkers. None of their >>>>faces unlocked it -- although none of them look remotely like me. I >>>>also attempted to unlock it with a big color photo of my face on a >>>>24-inch monitor, but that didn't register as a face to the iPhone X >>>>either. The TrueDepth camera recognizes face contours to identify >>>>you. >>>> >>>>Face ID worked perfectly in these instances. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>Face ID worked perfectly in almost completely dark room, too, lit >>>>only by the iPhone's screen. (It uses infrared). We'll still need to >>>>do a lot more testing to see what Face ID's limits are. By default, >>>>it requires "attention" at the display, but that requirement for >>>>direct attention can be turned off for those who need it, or those >>>>who prefer to speed up the process. >>>>.but it's not perfect >>>>By design, the iPhone X doesn't unlock with just a glance. Once >>>>you've identified yourself with your face, you need to swipe up with >>>>your finger to get to your apps. Not only does the swipe remove the >>>>immediacy of Face ID, it means you need your hand to do anything. >>>>Quick access to the phone wasn't quite as quick as I expected. >>>>I pushed my face testing hard. I got a haircut, shaved my beard into >>>>several shapes, then off completely. I tried on sunglasses and other >>>>frames. I wore hats and scarves. Then I went to more absurd levels, >>>>including some that wouldn't happen in most real-world scenarios, >>>>trying on wigs, fake mustaches and steampunk goggles. >>>> >>>>Face ID failed here. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>The preliminary results are in my video. This is by no means a final >>>>test, but the bottom line is that most of the "real world" tests >>>>worked and showed me that Face ID is more resilient than I expected. >>>>Face ID didn't mind my sunglasses. Scarves presented some >>>>challenges, but that makes sense if they're pulled up over your >>>>mouth since they're hiding essential aspects of your face. All the >>>>tests worked far better than Samsung's face unlock feature on the >>>>Galaxy Note 8 -- though Samsung kept its fingerprint reader on, as >>>>an easy backup. >>>>The iPhone X occasionally asked me to re-enter the passcode after a >>>>failed Face ID attempt, then locked out further Face ID efforts >>>>until I entered the passcode again. If you've used Touch ID, this >>>>will remind you of trying to use an iPhone with wet fingers. >>>>The big OLED screen is a welcome addition... >>>>The 5.8-inch screen is the biggest on an iPhone to date, and the >>>>first Apple handset to use OLED (organic light-emitting display) >>>>technology versus the LED/LCD in all previous iPhones. In addition >>>>to better energy efficiency, OLED screens offer much better contrast >>>>and true, inky blacks -- not the grayish blacks of LCD screens. >>>> >>>>The iPhone 8 (left) has a 4.7-inch screen; the iPhone X (center) has >>>>a 5.8-inch screen; and the iPhone 8 Plus (right) is 5.5 inches. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>At first use, the bigger screen feels great. I've wanted more screen >>>>real estate on the iPhone, and the X comes closest to all-screen. >>>>Picture quality >>>>improvement isn't immediately noticeable over previous iPhones, but >>>>that's a testament to how good Apple's previous TrueTone displays >>>>are. The larger screen gives the iPhone a more current and immersive >>>>feel. >>>>I'll need more time to compare the screen to other iPhones -- and to >>>>other OLED phones, such as Samsung Galaxy models. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>...but the X's screen feels different from an iPhone Plus That said, >>>>I grappled with a few X display quirks. Sure, there's a notch cut >>>>out of the top of the screen where the front-facing camera array >>>>sits. But this isn't just the Plus display crammed into the body of >>>>a 4.7-inch iPhone. >>>>The X's display is taller than recent iPhones -- or, when you put it >>>>in landscape mode, narrower. For some videos, that means they get >>>>letterboxed (black bars at the top and bottom) or pillarboxed (black >>>>bars on the left and right) to fit properly and the effective >>>>display area ends up a bit smaller than on the 8 Plus. >>>>The rounded edges of the display mean that even if you expand a >>>>picture to fill the screen, parts of the image or movie end up cut off. >>>>The notch didn't bother me -- much... >>>>Hear me out. The notch and the two extra bits on either side end up >>>>feeling like bonus space: most apps don't use that area, and it ends >>>>up relegated to carrier, Wi-Fi and battery notifications, which >>>>saves that info from cluttering the display below. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>...but your favorite apps might not make the most of that screen >>>>Many current apps aren't yet optimized for the iPhone X. These >>>>outdated apps end up filling the same space as on an iPhone 8, >>>>leaving a lot of unused area. That'll certainly get fixed for some >>>>apps over time, but it's a reminder that the extra screen room here >>>>might not end up meeting your needs, until or unless the apps are >>>>optimized. >>>> >>>>The Witness isn't optimized for the iPhone X (yet), so it "pillarboxes" >>>>(places black bars to the left and right of the screen). >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>Living without the home button takes some adjustment A number of new >>>>gestures take the place of the old home button. I kept reaching for >>>>the phantom button over the first few hours, feeling like I'd lost a >>>>thumb. >>>>Unlike phones such as the Samsung Galaxy Note 8, which adds a >>>>virtual home button to create a "press for home" experience, the X >>>>remaps familiar gestures completely. >>>>. Swiping down from the corner now gives you Control Center, instead >>>>of swiping up. >>>>. Swiping up is the new "home button." >>>>. Swiping up and holding brings up all open apps. >>>>. And another new trick: swiping left or right on the opaque bar below >>>>all apps, flips between apps for quick multitasking. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>Meanwhile, there's a new, large side button that brings up Siri and >>>>Apple Pay. I instinctively pressed and held it to shut down my >>>>phone, then I realized that is not what that button does. (To turn >>>>off the phone, you now hold that same side button *and* the lower >>>>volume button at the same time, which feels far from intuitive.) >>>>Those gestures added up to some difficult maneuvers as I walked >>>>Manhattan streets in the Flatiron between my office and a local >>>>barber shop. At the end of the first day, I admit: sometimes I missed the >>>>simple home button. >>>> >>>>Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone X unboxing >>>>2:51 >>>>You'll need to adjust your Apple Pay routine Double-clicking the >>>>side button brings up Apple Pay, but an additional face-glance is >>>>needed to authorize a payment. I tried it on our vending machine at >>>>the office and sometimes it worked great. Sometimes Face ID didn't >>>>seem to recognize me. Maybe my timing was off. >>>> >>>>We tested Apple Pay on our in-house vending machine. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>I'm definitely going to need to check this out at more places in the >>>>days ahead. The bottom line: you don't want to be the guy holding up >>>>the line at the drugstore because your >>>>double-click-to-Face-ID-to-NFC-reader flow was off. >>>>The rear cameras are similar, not identical, to the iPhone 8 Plus >>>>Like the iPhone 8 Plus, the iPhone X has a dual rear camera with >>>>both wide-angle and telephoto lenses. But X has two changes: A >>>>larger aperture >>>>(f/2.4 vs. f/2.8) on the telephoto lens, and optical image >>>>stabilization on both lenses (rather than just one on the 8 Plus), >>>>which should make for better-lit, less blurry zoomed-in shots at night or >>>>in lower lighting. >>>>My colleague, CNET Senior Photographer James Martin, has done a deep >>>>dive on the new front-facing iPhone X camera, experimenting with >>>>portraits and shots around San Francisco. >>>> >>>>Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone X camera pushes the art of selfies >>>>2:47 >>>>The front camera is great with Portrait Mode. >>>>In addition to handling Face ID duties, the TrueDepth front camera >>>>brings most of the magic of Apple's rear cameras to the selfie world. >>>>Scott Stein/CNET >>>>Portrait Mode, where the subject is in the foreground in focus with >>>>a blurred background, and Portrait Lighting, which applies various >>>>lighting effects to a photo after the fact, both now work on your >>>>selfies. Vanity, thy name is Portrait Mode. >>>>...but not great with Portrait Lighting and my face Portrait >>>>Lighting is officially in beta on both the iPhone's rear and front >>>>cameras, and my experiences with it confirmed Apple isn't finished >>>>perfecting the software that makes it work. My face ended up looking >>>>oddly cut-out and poorly lit. Unlike the rear cameras, which seemed >>>>to produce hit-or-miss Portrait Lighting shots, I haven't had luck >>>>with my own selfies. >>>> >>>> >>>>Portrait Lighting is still in beta, so temper your expectations. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>Get ready to be bombarded with animojis, and other TrueDepth AR and >>>>face-mapping apps Animojis are exactly what they sound like: >>>>animated emojis. They're cute. >>>>They're also Apple's showcase for the fancy TrueDepth camera, which >>>>maps your facial expressions onto monkeys, aliens, foxes and even a >>>>pile of poop. >>>>(If nothing else, the 10-second clips made my kids laugh when I sent >>>>them a >>>>few.) >>>> >>>>Animojis map to your facial expressions and mouth movements. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>Third-party apps also use the TrueDepth camera for real-time 3D effects. >>>>Snapchat created new face filters I got to play with, and some did >>>>an amazing job staying on my face. I'm curious to see how future >>>>apps use this tech for even more advanced face-aware AR. >>>> >>>>Snapchat face filters just got a lot more realistic. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>Apple's Instagram-like video app Clips has an update coming that >>>>also uses the camera to green-screen my face into different scenes, >>>>like an 8-bit gaming experience or a Star Wars filter where it looks >>>>like my face is a blue-tinged hologram. Again, it's fun. For many >>>>people, the filters Snapchat already provides are probably enough. >>>> >>>>Apple's Clips app is now TrueDepth-enabled, too. >>>>Sarah Tew/CNET >>>>Apple nailed the size and feel: Did it nail the entire experience? >>>>I think the X is in the sweet spot that the older iPhone sizes could >>>>never perfectly be. It's a good-feeling phone with a nice, large >>>>screen. The shift to Face ID and the removal of the home button feel >>>>like changes that some might be fine with, and others will find >>>>unnecessary. I'm still learning the X's design language. >>>>We're just getting started! >>>>Want to know more? So do we. This is the beginning of our iPhone X >>>>journey, not the final word. We've got plenty more on deck, >>>>including battery tests, benchmarks and in-depth comparisons to >>>>rival phones such as the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 and Google PIxel 2 XL. >>>>We'll continue to update our experiences throughout the week as we >>>>count down to the iPhone X global launch on Friday, Nov. 3. >>>>For now, our CNET review of the iPhone X will be ongoing with a lot >>>>more tests. Stay tuned! >>>>The iPhone X selfie camera: Our first impressions, out and about in >>>>the real world. >>>>I'm using an iPhone X already. AMA! 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