Thanks, Simon. And thanks also to Gena for suggesting USB headphones. Had I gone to those sooner, it would have still been a fully accessible install process, even with the breakage in BootCamp driver installation.
There are other gotchyas I ran into that are probably worth documenting. Some of these that come immediately to mind: 1.) Put your USB stick on a USB2 port. According to an Apple page about BootCamp, which I won't stop to find just now, USB3 isn't supported for BootCamp. 2.) Make sure Disk Utility is happy with your USB stick. Should you have accidentally removed it somewhere without unmounting it first, BootCamp will complain, but it won't complain for about 20 minutes. Sloppy scripting, there, Apple! 3.) Make sure your Apple drive's Mac partitions take up the entire drive. BootCamp won't be happy if you've repartitioned in various ways, and it won't tell you for a good hour into the process. 4.) You need to babysit the BootCamp process. While it may seem oK to go away and get something unrelated accomplished while you waith for the slow BootCamp process to run, that isn't safe. Eventually, BootCamp will prompt for your password and that starts a clock. If you don't respond in what it considers a reasonable amount of time, the entire process may blow up, and you'll have to start over again from scratch. I got a "BootCamp Busy" message which I couldn't get out of except by rebooting or by killing the PID from an ssh session into the Mac. 5.) Don't despair of the Windows side of the installation aborts. This happened to me many times, some dozen times, before it finally worked. Windows would be "Preparing files for installation" and reading out a percentage. Then, suddenly, it would abort where the only option is to hit OK and reboot the machine. Very, Very frustrating, but there's quite a bit of discussion on line where people have had the same experience. Eventually, it will work, provided your Mac is on the supported list that Apple publishes. Simon Fogarty writes: > Hey Janina > > Great work, and sticking with it. > > I'mm going to keep this on file somewhere in case I get the same issue when > upgrading. > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Friday, 12 January 2018 6:14 AM > To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Configuring audio in BootCamp Windows 10 > > I got it sorted! Alleluia! > > BootCamp drivers most certainly failed to install during the initial Windows > installation. Launching d:\BootCamp\Setup.exe yielded the error: > > $WinPEDriver$ folder not found > > Following guidance I found at: > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33491592/bootcamp-drivers-lost-winpedriver-folder-how-to-create-it > > I created the missing folder via my Linux console and reran the above > command. This made Windows happy. Installation took about 3 minutes and > required a reboot. > > Windows 10 is now happily chattering via the builtin speakers on my Airbook. > > Thanks especially to Gena for the suggestion to try using a USB headphone. > That gave me the screen reader I was lacking via the 3.5 audio jack on the > Airbook. > > I'm so happy to be past this step. It's been driving me bonkers for weeks and > weeks. > > Thanks to everyone who took an interest and offered suggestions. I appreciate > your help very much. > > Janina > > 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes: > > Hi, Gena: > > > > I've changed the subject and disaccoiated the old thread -- hopefully > > helpful should anyone go searching ... > > > > The USB headphones are working. They're giving me access to both NVDA > > and Narrator in the Windows 10 installation on my Airbook. Strange as > > this will sound, I'm actually getting the best info by running NVDA > > and Narrator simultaneously! Wierd, but effective for the moment. > > > > Here's the latest iteration of the problem ... > > > > I can launch the Setup.exe in the BootCamp folder on my USB stick. > > However, it immediately errors out complaining of a missing folder > > whose exact name I couldn't quite catch. I haven't gone back to the > > Narrator docs to learn how to get character by character screen > > review--that's next. > > > > The missing folder is something like: > > > > $WinPC > > > > I have confirmed via my Linux machine that it is indeed missing from > > the USB stick. So, this sounds like some kind of BootCamp error? I > > think I'll need to get the exact spelling in order to Google the problem. > > > > PS: Want to hear something really wierd? NVDA's audio sonicons are > > playing via the Airbook's internal speaker. But, I can't get TTS > > output there! Stranger and stranger. > > > > Janina > > > > Georgina Joyce writes: > > > Hello Janina, > > > > > > Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp > > > partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB > > > headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound > > > through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for the new > > > device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have sound through > > > an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a driver issue. > > > > > > Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Gena > > > > > > Georgina Joyce > > > Applied Psychologist > > > Training and Coaching. > > > Because individuals of groups matter! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Janina, > > > > > > > > I think the blind keystrokes might be: > > > > > > > > Open the run dialog box: > > > > cmd r, i.e. Windows r. > > > > > > > > If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is > > > > likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped > > > > package so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of > > > > things. Going by the article your run command should be: > > > > e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext > > > > > > > > Windows will want you to allow changes so you need: > > > > opt Y i.e. alt y. > > > > > > > > Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you > > > > might need to: > > > > opt c i.e. alt c. > > > > > > > > You might need to do a: > > > > opt f i.e alt f. > > > > > > > > To finish. > > > > > > > > Then a opt y i.e. alt y. > > > > > > > > Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you > > > > security to see what happens. > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > Gena > > > > > > > > “Why not?” > > > > > > > > Michael Hinson 2011 > > > > > > > >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk > > > >> <mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hello Janina, > > > >> > > > >> Good to hear from you too. > > > >> > > > >> Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp > > > >> drivers. You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out > > > >> there. There must be a way of triggering the install from the run > > > >> dialog. If that is the sate of the machine like installs with Narrator > > > >> support a USB headset would provide audio. Did you use a USB headset > > > >> that has it’s own sound card for the installation? > > > >> > > > >> Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe > > > >> from the run dialog. > > > >> > > > >> See here: > > > >> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 > > > >> <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Gena > > > >> > > > >> Call: M0EBP > > > >> Loc: IO83PS > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > > > >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > > >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not > > > >>> already installed, get them installed. > > > >>> > > > >>> All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process. > > > >>> Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I > > > >>> have no way to know. > > > >>> > > > >>> Jonathan Cohn writes: > > > >>>> Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do > > > >>>> this, but I understand that sound will not work correctly until the > > > >>>> bootcamp drivers are installed once the OS has been installed. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Best wishes, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Jonathan Cohn > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk > > > >>>>> <mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hello Janina, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 > > > >>>>> and blamed it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I > > > >>>>> have removed and reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not > > > >>>>> really played with it. So I hope I don’t experience the muting of > > > >>>>> sound again. I’m sure someone on the BCAB list also had problems > > > >>>>> too. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> OK, so have you tried Narrator? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only > > > >>>>> tried it once and it did not return sound, reasoning that I > > > >>>>> mistyped or wasn’t in the right place to enter such a command. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The command was: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> From: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-vol > > > >>>>> ume-via-the-command-line > > > >>>>> <https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-vo > > > >>>>> lume-via-the-command-line> > > > >>>>> <https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-vo > > > >>>>> lume-via-the-command-line > > > >>>>> <https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-vo > > > >>>>> lume-via-the-command-line>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Good luck and let us know how you get on. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Gena > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Georgina Joyce > > > >>>>> Applied Psychologist > > > >>>>> Training and Coaching. > > > >>>>> Because individuals of groups matter! > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > > > >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > > >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > > >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp > > > >>>>>> install of Windows 10 from within VMware. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is > > > >>>>>> refusing to work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows > > > >>>>>> 10. It worked for a brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried > > > >>>>>> has brought it back. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These > > > >>>>>> should have been installed via the BootCamp process, of > > > >>>>>> course, but I've been unable to verify that. Certainly, at > > > >>>>>> the moment there's no sound from Windows, though I've verified > > > >>>>>> there is a working installation there. > > > >>>>>> I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died > > > >>>>>> on me as I was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on > > > >>>>>> a USB stick. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my > > > >>>>>> BootCamp install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it > > > >>>>>> reads apfs. But I wonder whether it would go silent the same > > > >>>>>> way, or perhaps that it might be using different drivers at that > > > >>>>>> level. 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If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
