Thanks Dan and Jeff,
I can’t get this to work, so I’m giving up!
Thanks for trying to help me with this.


> On Apr 9, 2018, at 1:07 PM, dan d. <dandun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> In the exact example given below the three question marks should be two 
> hyphens instead.  The extraction bit can be a -x alone.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, Robert Cole wrote:
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> Can someone tell me what I???m doing wrong?
>> I can???t get this to work.
>> 
>> youtube-dl ???extract-audio ???audio-format mp3 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IZAVUin01U
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Chris Moore <chris.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I just ran youtube-dl from the terminal to extract mp3.
>>> You don???t need homebrew to install it.  The terminal command looks 
>>> something like:
>>> youtube-dl ???extract-audio ???audio-format mp3 url
>>> 
>>> You can get the url by  going into youtube in safari,
>>> locating the desired song,
>>> use the copy link in the shortcut menu
>>> and paste it into the terminal command with cmd+v
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> Chris
>>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 6:52 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com 
>>>> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You can find info at:
>>>> https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ <https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/>
>>>> You can install it with Homebrew.
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>>>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>>>> Services for the Blind
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net 
>>>>> <mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where can I find info about youtube dl?
>>>>> Peace,
>>>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>>>> 
>>>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net <mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>
>>>>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, that???s good. I looked at Downy, and I think I???ll just stick with 
>>>>>> Youtube-dl. Far less expensive.
>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>>>>>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
>>>>>> Services for the Blind
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 2:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Downie will do this. I have not installed the app yet but the site 
>>>>>>> states that you can do this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . ..
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>> and say God did it" --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/5/2017 12:09 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>>>>>> Do any of these allow one to download only the audio of the video?
>>>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
>>>>>>>> JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by 
>>>>>>>> World Services for the Blind
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 2:52 PM, J??rgen Fleger <mailinglis...@fleger.net 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net><mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, Chuck and Andrew,
>>>>>>>>> thanks for your great ideas. Really helpful.
>>>>>>>>> J??rgen
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2017 um 17:31 schrieb Robert Cole <mr.robertc...@icloud.com 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mr.robertc...@icloud.com><mailto:mr.robertc...@icloud.com 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mr.robertc...@icloud.com>>>:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> Lately, I have been pressing command R To reload the page when a add 
>>>>>>>>>> starts to play, then my video will start.
>>>>>>>>>> I haven???t had any trouble so far.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:31 AM, J??rgen Fleger 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailinglis...@fleger.net 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net><mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, thanks for the responds.
>>>>>>>>>>> What I don???t like about the You Tube site are the ads at the 
>>>>>>>>>>> beginning. I know I somehow could skip them but acutally I???m not 
>>>>>>>>>>> sure which would be the best way to find the skip button quickly. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a good strategy for this?
>>>>>>>>>>> J??rgen
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.10.2017 um 13:56 schrieb jeff `greene <greenebo...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com><mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com>>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, No I don't think so. I always just find a video I want to keep 
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> youtube and then copy its url. Then I paste the url into softorino
>>>>>>>>>>>> youtube converter and it starts downloading. You can also download 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> video as an mp3 file too.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/17, J??rgen Fleger <mailinglis...@fleger.net 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net><mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you able to search and preview the video before downloading 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it using
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Softorino?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks J??rgen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 25.10.2017 um 20:35 schrieb jeff `greene 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <greenebo...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com><mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com>>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi E.T.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use an app called softorino youtube converter. You bring it up 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a blank edit field. You paste the web address of a youtube 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the field then tab to 1080p 720p etc. At the bottom of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a save button. The app is not free, I got it in a bundle with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waltr, both apps are developed by the same company. Actually, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe the app is now called S2 because they totally redid it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/25/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does WinX HD Video Converter compare with Downie if you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used both?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/24/2017 5:37 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WinX HD Video Converter for Mac.app
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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