Remember, GW Micro was first baught out by AI Squared. They only became a part
of VFO when VFO purchased AI Squared.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 12:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Braille Displays
Political? Sure sounds like it. I had no idea that VFO took over all those
companies. Kind of surprised that GW Micro is under that umbrella.
It makes me nervous because this changes the power exerted by mergers like
this. At the same time though, if done right, resources could be maximized.
Fingers crossed.
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On 4/29/2018 9:39 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> Wow, now we are getting political. VFO owns the companies that are now
> or were formally called:
>
> • Freedom Scientific
> • AI Squared
> •GW Miccro
> • The Paciello Group
> • Enhanced Vision
> • Optelec
>
>
> So what Blind technology firms are still out there?
>
> • HiMS
> • Humanware
> • A company with Bristol in its name that is about to create a 40 x 9
> refreshable display
>
> Anything else that is still actively competing with the Shark company?
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:27 PM, E.T. <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> Donna,
>> This is actually a concern I have. It goes back to the time when
>> Freedom Scientific came to life and took over what, 3 companies,
>> including Blazie? But we do not have many choices in the AT field.
>> Yes I will certainly share my experiences.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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>> On 4/29/2018 9:10 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> ET,
>>> I'll be curious about your impressions of the Focus 5. VFO is what
>>> used to be Freedom Scientific. Time was when I was a huge fan of
>>> theirs, but that hasn't been the case for over ten years now. If
>>> you check out the new Focus, please do share your impressions with the list.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:08 AM, E.T. <[email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mary,
>>>> I suppose I am out of touch with the AT business so am not up to
>>>> snuff on who markets what. VFO for example is new to me.
>>>>
>>>> I briefly looked at a display last week that has a touch screen.
>>>> I don't remember what brand that one is but I passed on it. But who
>>>> knows, maybe I will keep an open mind. The Focus 5th is now of
>>>> interest, got the user guide so will look at it.
>>>>
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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>>>> On 4/28/2018 6:16 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>>>> Baum USA was the distributor for the United States. So if you live
>>>>> in the US, you are out of luck unless you’re willing to buy a used
>>>>> display from someone. I assume the same might be true for Europe,
>>>>> but I wouldn’t want to say that for sure. This whole thing is sad,
>>>>> but it really depends on whether somebody is willing to pump more
>>>>> money into that company in order to make it viable. If I were
>>>>> buying up display now, I would not buy a baum display, no matter
>>>>> how good they are.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Donna Goodin <[email protected]
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> ET,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far as I know. I bought directly from them. For best info on
>>>>>> this I suggest you email David Bradburn. The only email I have
>>>>>> for him is [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. Alternatively, you could reach
>>>>>> out to him on the VU list. I believe he still reads it.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 4:40 PM, E.T. <[email protected]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>>> You mean, Baum USA was the only vendor? That changes things.
>>>>>>> That is indeed unfortunate. I will look into the new Focus and
>>>>>>> learn more. Appreciate your input.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
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>>>>>>> On 4/28/2018 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>>>> ET,
>>>>>>>> You cannot purchase them new. You would have to find someone
>>>>>>>> who wants to sell theres, which is why I suggested the VU list.
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 11:42 AM, E.T. <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mary and Jason,
>>>>>>>>> Good question on availability. I will need to look into that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The new Focus sounds interesting. In general how well has
>>>>>>>>> the Focus line held up? That auto scroll feature is
>>>>>>>>> intriguing. I may see if I can get one to look at.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2018 9:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Can you even still purchase a v u? I didn’t think baum USA,
>>>>>>>>>> which is now out of business, even had any stock left. It’s a
>>>>>>>>>> great display with a big learning curve. I would really
>>>>>>>>>> seriously look at the new generation focus if I were you. It
>>>>>>>>>> has multiple devices capability and will have some notetaking
>>>>>>>>>> capability later this year. A friend of mine just got one and
>>>>>>>>>> says it’s very well-built, and he really likes it a lot.
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 9:31 AM, E.T. <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>>>>>>> Good feedback. When I first got the Edge I was impressed
>>>>>>>>>>> with it. But I think HIMS moves on rather too quickly and
>>>>>>>>>>> legacy products pile up. I think the last update is from 2015.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no end to the learning curve so since you
>>>>>>>>>>> anticipated my desire to join a VU list, I just joined!
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do like the multiple Bluetooth concept. I found the user
>>>>>>>>>>> guide too so will go through it over the next week or so.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps someone will take over Baum. If that happens, lets
>>>>>>>>>>> hope it does not decrease in quality of product and support.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2018 5:59 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey ET,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I currently own both those displays--I replaced my Edge
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the VU, and was never able to sell my Edge.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a really hard question to answer. Erik is right,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the bankruptcy issue with Baum has real nightmare potential.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently David Bradburn is providing some repair support,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but he's doing it as a side-gig. The only tech support is
>>>>>>>>>>>> the VU list. It's a lot of knowledgeable and very helpful
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks, but that's not the same as getting tech support from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, the VU is the best display I've ever owned. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille Edge frankly doesn't even come close. I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure what happened with the Edge. It has lots of coolness
>>>>>>>>>>>> potential, but it's like HIMS started to develop it and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then just stopped. It has all these function keys, for
>>>>>>>>>>>> example, but most of them don't do much. The apps are also
>>>>>>>>>>>> very limited. It has a sort of minimal word processor and
>>>>>>>>>>>> file manager, and a calculator, but it's all kind of like
>>>>>>>>>>>> something you'd find on an old flip phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The VU has a nice word processor with separate file
>>>>>>>>>>>> manager, a PDF reader, and an Excel spreadsheet viewer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And as Erik pointed out, can connect to multiple bluetooth devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The VU also has by far the nicer form factor. It's funny,
>>>>>>>>>>>> when the Edge came out it felt relatively small, but it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> very heavy and blocky compared to the VU, which is small,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and light, and sleek.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The VU has a significantly higher learning curve, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't imagine that that would be an issue for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> One last thing to think about is that with the Edge, you
>>>>>>>>>>>> transfer files onto it with an SD card, which is pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>> dated. With the VU, you can transfer either via USB drive
>>>>>>>>>>>> or you can connect it directly to a PC, and it functions as
>>>>>>>>>>>> a stand-alone drive. Unfortunately, that feature does not
>>>>>>>>>>>> work on the Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, that's the sum of my wisdom on the subject. The VU is
>>>>>>>>>>>> by far the better display, but it depends on whether you
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to get involved with the Baum situation. Were it me,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd probably still go for the VU, it's just that much
>>>>>>>>>>>> better. But I can certainly understand someone not wanting
>>>>>>>>>>>> to take that risk. If you want to try and track down a VU,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest joining the list and asking there. The URL to
>>>>>>>>>>>> subscribe is: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. Put Subscribe
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the subject line. If you have any other questions, I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> happy to try and answer them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 5:41 PM, E.T.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the opportunity to replace my Braille Edge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna, I hope you will chime in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can choose just about anything but will limit my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice to either another Edge or the Vario Ultra 40. Given
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Baum is in bankruptcy, the question is then what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about tech support. Is the Vario Ultra still a good bet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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