Hi! Regarding braille on Android there is brltty of corse but its not on the play store and can be quite confusing for the users. /A
> 2 sep. 2018 kl. 04:46 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries > <[email protected]>: > > I tried Android a year ago, using the latest, greatest, phone by Google! The > Pixel phone, the most pure Android experience ever! And it still sucked. > TalkBack is a lackluster screen reader, created by the Android Accessibility > team, who can't do much because no one else on the Android team cares. > Really, you should see the eyes-free list, and Victor's comments on feature > requests. "We cannot at this point do that, because the accessibility API's > won't allow that." This is what is said about multifinger gestures and all > kinds of other things that TalkBack doesn't have, like the ability to start > and stop music and such. Then, you have people with low vision that use > Talkback that are fine with how poor it is right now because they don't need > it, always drowning out any messages asking for progress, because they don't > want Braille, multifinger gestures would mess with their magnifier app, and > Android is just perfectly fine the way it is. Oh and no more editing commands > because we don't need JAWS for Android because it's so big and slow. And if > anyone asks for a new feature, the android fans don't want it because it > should be a toggle but Talkback developers aren't good at making toggles so > my goodness just don't do it and leave my TalkBack alone and go back to the > fruitveil and the iphone! Yes, the Android blind users are quite a crew. > Oh, and you know how Android is so great for choice? Now, many on the > Eyes-free list only suggest "pure" android, which means getting the > overpriced Google Pixel. Yes, all those other phones? Nah, they're probably > inaccessible because stupid phone makers have to use their freedom with > Android to put all kinds of crap on it. So yeah just get a Pixel or whatever. > So yeah, all that choice, and its nearly no choice at all. Also, you hear > that you can use any screen reader on Android you want. Lol Shine-plus, the > only alternative that has been updated in the last few years, hasn't been > updated in a year or more. > Finally, my favorite, braille! If you love braille as much as I do, don't get > Android. BrailleBack, which must be downloaded and installed, has poor > support for Android controls and app usage, doesn't support many braille > displays unless you have one of the beta builds floating around, released by > a Google employee who does care but isn't able to make things better > regarding braille, and since it relies on TalkBack for everything, you can't > just have silent, peaceful braille... Unless you do the totally inelegant > process of turning down your phone, turning off the vibration feedback, and > hoping you don't miss an important phone call because you were too busy > turning up your volume then trying to slide up with two fingers in the right > position to answer the call because TalkBack forces the blind to try to > conform with sighted users on things like answering calls, dismissing > notifications, and anything a tap can't do, which is increasingly a lot of > things. Darn Android accessibility API's, which the Android accessibility > team don't seem to have much control over. Ah well, just get a Pixel and like > it. Love it, even. Because it's Google. > There are a few things that I do like about Android phones, ... Oh, just the > Samsung ones, right. Google definitely won't like hearing that. But, the > current Samsung phones, the S9 I am sure, have Dolby Atmos support, meaning > that you can use 3D, surround, audio when listening to movies or music. Apple > does not have this yet, of course, but they will have it in their apple TV's, > so they may bring it to the iPhone. But knowing them, they'll just keep it on > the Homepod, ugh. Both companies, Apple and Google, are so full of themselves > nowadays. $ > > Devin Prater > Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind > JAWS certified > > On Sep 1, 2018, at 8:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Not if you want the chime in the same time frame. I've seen people come up >> with startup scripts that make noise, but it's later on in the startup >> process. Thus, you would not be able to use it as an indicator of when to >> hold down special keys. Just for clarification purposes, the firmware is >> accessed right away after power up or restart, whereas any user specific >> items are accessed after the OS begins loading from the drive. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Apple Teacher >> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Sep 1, 2018, at 19:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> So can they build it in as something other than a firmware setting? I take >> your point, but just asking. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >>> On Sep 1, 2018, at 8:15 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> With it being a firmware item, it's not something that can be user >>> specific. That is, settings within the firmware are not able to be >>> modified by the enduser, just by Apple themselves. This is a security >>> thing and is partially why the Mac is a more secure system than Windows. >>> Don't get me wrong though, I'm not defending them as I would much prefer >>> that the chime remain active, just need to make things clear. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Apple Teacher >>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2018, at 19:10, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Simon, >>> >>> I get that sighted users may not want it, but it seems like they could >>> preserve it as an option so that anyone, sighted or not, could make the >>> decision for themselves. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>>> On Sep 1, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Simon Fogarty <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Donna, >>>> Yes I agree, >>>> >>>> They should all to the users about what they are looking for rate then >>>> tell us what we want. >>>> The start up come is something that apple have had for years and years. >>>> I’d like to know why they stopped it. >>>> >>>> >>>> Simon Fogarty >>>> Dunedin, NZ >>>> >>>> Em: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> >>>>> On 1/09/2018, at 1:47 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You know, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling frustrated with >>>>> Apple. I was really hoping that the new iPhone models would include an >>>>> option for a faster iPhone 8. Face ID sucks. It takes significantly >>>>> longer to unlock your phone, and is much more finicky. I'm feeling >>>>> resentful that Apple is trying to force me into a technology that I have >>>>> tried, and do not like. I don't want Face ID. I don't need a ginormous >>>>> screen. I sure as h*** don't need three cameras. I'm starting to wonder >>>>> if my next phone will be a cheapy that makes calls and texts, and I do >>>>> the rest from my Mac. I don't want some giant tech company to dictate >>>>> how I will use technology. If Apple wants to continue to promote face >>>>> recognition to the exclusion of more convenient technologies, that's >>>>> their prerogative. But they should have kept a touch option available >>>>> for those of us who tried face ID and know it sucks. And as for the new >>>>> flick up for home? It sucks, too. Being able to quickly press a home >>>>> button--be it actual or virtual--was much more efficient. My only >>>>> power--small though it may be--is my purchasing power. And I am really >>>>> wondering if my next phone will be a non-Apple product. >>>>> >>>>> I know this is only tangentially related to the start-up chime, but I >>>>> feel it's all part of the same thing. Why not leave the chime enabled, >>>>> or at least make it an option for those who want it? Why should Apple be >>>>> deciding this for us? They seem to want to make an argument that they >>>>> are not big-brotherish, but actually, they're no better than the rest. >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:51 PM, lenron brown <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Stupid that they removed it. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/31/18, Simon Fogarty <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi shaun, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah the line in the web page details that say: >>>>>>> Feature removed by apple on latest firmware, doesn't work anymore.” >>>>>>> Kind of says to me that this doesn’t work anymore. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh well, other people can keep trying. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 31 August 2018 6:03 PM >>>>>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no proof that this command works. I've heard from experts that >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> doesn't but go ahead and try it yourself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Shawn, >>>>>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>>>>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>>>>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>>>> Facetime: [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 29, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> Found this link. >>>>>>> https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-new-macbook-pros.2011044/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-new-macbook-pros.2011044/> >>>>>>> Try that and see if it helps. >>>>>>> /A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 29 aug. 2018 kl. 11:32 skrev Simon Fogarty >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Listers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok so I'm kind of getting hacked off with the fact my new work Mac >>>>>>> Book Pro >>>>>>> doesn't do the start up chimes that Apple / mac computers have done >>>>>>> since >>>>>>> long before I started using Mac products. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've got VO starting at log in but when for some reason I need to force >>>>>>> restart for some unknown reason, if I use the power button to turn off >>>>>>> / on >>>>>>> the machine I never know when it's restarting until it starts talking to >>>>>>> me, >>>>>>> If I'm lucky enough for vo to still be talking.I know this effects us >>>>>>> all, >>>>>>> But have we ever or has anyone ever contacted Apple accessibility to >>>>>>> explain >>>>>>> that this chime at start up would be really useful to us the sight >>>>>>> impaired >>>>>>> to know when / if our machines are starting up >>>>>>> Or do in my case I just keep thinking the batteries dead and put it on >>>>>>> mains >>>>>>> power when I don't need to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any thoughts appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Slightly P'd off mac book pro user. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>> or if >>>>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>>> owners or >>>>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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