Is this a case of the fench getting back at the germans for something? It's not Germanys fault that they are better engineers, Beer brewers And the girls I've met are stunning,
Although Germany does have a crazily angry language LOL -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of B G Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2019 4:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: To Add to the idea N.B. Mercedes cars. *smile* Just for clarity, and forgive me for the apparent pedantry, I think you mean 'fun' and not 'funny'. maybe a simplified Braille code for German would address the above-mentioned et al. I have heard of systems which are entirely in long-hand i.e. with no contraction; not sure if the underlying rationale is to avoid the type of problems you're citing. On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger <[email protected]> wrote: > In my Windows time there was a german program for this called BKCom. > Never liked it very much because writing braille on these smal > keyboard keys wasn’t very funny. I wouldn’t need to write braille on a normal > keyboard. > But anyway there might be a group of people who really would > appreciate this function. So give them the suggestion.To have a > keyboard shortcut for this would be great. > > Yes, german braille is well designed but to complicated in its > exception rules for automated processes. There was a person named > Wolfgang Hubert who collected all exeptional rules and put it in a > database. Rumors say it has more then 1 million entries and he seems > not to be willing to share it with Apple or Apple might be not > interested in it. For example: if you put an f at the end of a word it > means a certain endig but only if it sits at the end of certain words. > At the end of other words it’s just meant as an f. The computer needs > to know in which case which end to put, And this is very difficult in > german. Apple uses a free available braille contraction table for > german braille but this is very unprecise in terms of these rules. And > so it’s not funny to use Apples version of contracted braille in > german. And to stress the stereotype once again: german things are > mostly well done but sometimes too complicated. ;-) > >> Am 27.05.2019 um 17:27 schrieb B G <[email protected]>: >> >> Good point. How about having a hotkey toggle for switching in an out >> of Braille input mode? Say, VO with some key or another to turn on >> Braille and a chorded shortcut to switch back to the qwerty layout. >> You can't use more than one keyboard at a time in any case. >> >> I was under the impression that German Braille was very well >> constructed albeit a little rule-heavy, not wishing to get into >> German stereotypes, of course. *smile* Ben >> >> >> On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I’d personally prefere only a solution via the Trackpad. I’d like to >>> keep both input methods simultaniously usable, normal keaboard via >>> the Keyboard and braille keyboard via Trackpad. Otherwise what’s the >>> benefit changing keyboard layout of the normal keyboard? Especially >>> because contracted braille in my mother tongue, german, is a little >>> catastrophy. It’s so full of wrong contraction rules it’s nearly >>> useless. And I’m writing very fast using my 10 fingers. But to have >>> both methods abailable at the same time would be very handy. >>> Jürgen >>>> Am 27.05.2019 um 16:32 schrieb 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>> <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> it's called 6-key entry. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> [email protected] >>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>> true? >>>> >>>> On 5/27/2019 3:48 AM, B G wrote: >>>>> One could have some of the qwerty keys turned into Braille input >>>>> keys >>>>> - similar to the the idea originally introduced by Duxbury in the >>>>> 90's. Thus, your f, d, s, j, k, l keys would map to dots 1, 2, 3, >>>>> 4, 5, 6, and the a and ; (semicolon) keys to dots 7 and 8. >>>>> What do we think? >>>>> Ben >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on >>>> the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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