thanks. I saved your email about switching back and forth between modes and I may create a commander for that at some point if I find I need group mode for anything. don't know yet.
Lorie > On Nov 17, 2019, at 6:43 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dom order reads HTML documents like Windows screen readers. Group order reads > them more like Macintosh applications, for example in lists when you have > group mode on, you need to interact with the list to see everything inside as > individual items. It also tries to arrange things somewhat like they show up > on screen. Take for example Facebook (and not m.facebook.com > <http://m.facebook.com/>, but the regular site). > Facebook puts each post in an article and then adds a name and description to > that article. In Group mode the article name will be read often something > like Joe Steam posted a picture, then there will be a short delay and the > description gets read which often gives any comments that joe said about the > picture. > If you then interact with the article you can find a like button and reply > button and a list of comments others have put to the post. Or you can just > use the VO next button to get to the next article. > In DOM mode this is all much more like what you would experience on every > other system where everything in the posting gets read unless you go to the > next article or Heading. > > I used to find group mode worked very well with the New York Times, at > avoiding the advertisements in the middle of articles. I not sure if this is > because the ads actually appeared to the left of the content, so when I hit > vo-down it just kept reading the main column or if it was something else. > I have often recommended adding a keyboard commander to switch between Group > and DOM mode. > Another irritant in Group mode is when you execute a read all command on a > complex site with several layers VoiceOver will do a constant very annoying > noise as it tries to decode all the layers. I have found this to be > particularly true for “forum” sites. > Best Wishes, > Jonathan Cohn . > >> On Nov 17, 2019, at 4:51 PM, Lorie McCloud <lorice...@gmail.com >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> can somebody tell me what dom order is and how it differes from the other >> setting for navigation in vo utility? I changed my setting and it fixed my >> problem. I'd like to be aware of what else may change for me in Safari. >> >> thanks. >> Lorie >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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