Hi lenron, When you factor several "Pro tools HDX" cards and a video card you'll start to see that the Mac Pro is a natural fit. I already have that mac mini which requires you to buy a external "thunderbolt" card cage to house all the Avid Cards & is a bit slower! Besides with the way the USA economy is doing it will pay for its self down stream! :) Also since the Mac pro is made in the US it will just ad fuel to the Jobs market!
Talk soon Chuck "God does not play dice with the universe" "Albert Einstein’ On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:58 PM, lenron brown wrote: > For music recording no way this thing is needed, yes yes I know some > can justify it some how but lets be real. You can get some real work > done with the setup you just mentioned. Even a mac book pro would > work. > > On 12/13/19, Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> But really Chuck, >> Even for a music studio >> Is the mac pro (New) really needed? >> >> Couldn’t you do the same thing with a Mac Mini setup as a server and then an >> iMac pro to work on your recordings from >> >> Even if you’ve been saving for a while you could get more from multiple >> devices surely? >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On >> Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL >> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:41 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — >> MacRumors >> >> Hi guys, >> Not pocket change! LOL >> >> Its a big chunk! >> & has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here! >> I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac pro 2 >> years ago. >> For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :) >> Like I said the economy here in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will >> continue for the next 5 years! >> >> and it will pay for its self! >> Talk soon >> Chuck >> >> On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote: >> >> >> Ok, well mr rich Canadian, >> >> How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins! >> >> Both petrus and I could do with more financial assistance, >> >> I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland, >> >> >> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — >> MacRumors >> >> Pocket change :). >> >> >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Jamf Certified Tech >> Apple Teacher >> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings >> <petrus.t...@gmail.com<mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a >> computer. >> Sent from Petrus's iPhone >> >> >> >> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty >> <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: >> Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices. >> >> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00 >> >> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 >> without software. >> And thats the tower not the rack model. >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings >> <petrus.t...@gmail.com<mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging >> out to own one of those. 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