I agree with John here. Now, if my signature had said something like “Fuck the left.”, I could understand taking offence. But, I think we get too offended by the least little thing these days. Oh, I need to take back one thing I said though. I can, now I think about it, point you to a specific message where this all started. I recall that ET took offence to my signature and said so. I responded and it went from there. Truth to tell, I tend to be like John and do not myself take much notice of anybody’s signatures unless a person expressly wishes me to see it for some reason. So, how bout we close this now? Just a thought. Oh, look. I’m not accusing anyone of anything here: just so you know. I sincerely hope this ends it because I can tell you this much. Even if I’m further asked about it here, I will say nothing further.
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind: Sincerely, The constantly barefooted Ray > On Jul 5, 2020, at 9:13 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In my humble opinion, I think we have had enough people leave this list > because of off topic and controversial debates. This might be a discussion > better suited for off the list. I am on several lists, and I’ve seen all > kinds of signatures that range from the devoutly religious to political > slogans to comical quotes. Of course, like mine, you have business related > information as well. I also moderate another list and own my own list that I > try to shepherd to the best of my ability these days. A signature, unless it > contains truly offensive statements or some kind of inappropriate language, > is really nothing more than whatever the reader wants to make of it. In other > words, to me, what Ray or E.T. or anyone else states in their signatures > isn’t something I hardly notice myself. I usually only read the content of > someone's posts and don’t venture beyond that point. I only looked at Ray’s > signature when it became a topic of discussion and I don’t personally find it > offensive and it would not be something I’d have him remove on my list, just > as the various other statements and such made in the signatures of other > users would not be an issue for me that I’ve encountered here. The problem > here is if you start trying to play signature police, it will get to the > point in which everyone’s signatures can be deemed annoying or inflammatory > or inappropriate. If you open that can of worms, you’ll get people making > cases for half the people on this list to remove their given signatures, and > that’s down right silly and crossing the line into the tyrannical in nature. > > To be honest, I personally find the climate of taking offense over just > about anything a person might say or opinions they might express tiresome. We > can all coexist just fine on any email list or forum if we stop looking for > slights and taking issue with everything in the world. I was stupefied by the > reaction of one of the posters I read when someone simply took the time to > wish everyone on the list a happy Independence day, which I thought was a > great gesture as a proud American myself who’s father and many of my > relatives served their country and in the case of an uncle, died for it. > There is enough anger and posturing in the world as it is, and I’d rather > leave such discussions in the realm where it’s appropriate. I have my own set > of convictions and opinions on the world, but I don’t think anyone else > neither cares about them nor do I find it necessary to express them on a > public list. > > As a blind person, I face enough prejudice and discrimination in society, > despite it being 2020. However, I am at the point in my life that I just > don’t care about political correctness or the like. As long as people are not > personally attacking one another and filling the list with inappropriate > language and off topic rants, well, there is the magic of the delete key if > you simply don’t want to read what someone has to say. Because I’m on so many > lists and have to sift through 300 plus emails a day, I exercise use of the > delete key quite often. > I think this topic was much better served discussing Firefox on the Mac, so > let’s not cause anyone to leave this list with further debates along these > lines before they really stray off course. I think Mark and Cara are busy > enough, so let’s not have to get them to have to play nannie for us again > please? > > Again, just my opinion and I apologize for filling your inbox with an off > topic message, folks. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > >> On Jul 5, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >> >> But that is where the problem is here. >> First, this is not a left or right list...whatever that means in >> relationship to Apple. >> second, some of what you claim is apart of who you are technically cannot >> exist as you describe it, and third, you have been using that signature >> before the Firefox thread even started. >> If my effort of learning about the mac is decreased because you have >> projected a sense of personal paranoia onto a list where no request that >> you apologized ever took place i wish to know. >> Otherwise, why is your signature appropriate for this list at all? >> Especially if the moderators allow it to remain? >> >> >> >> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, Raymond Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> All I will say is this. I’m not attempting to tell anyone here what to >>> believe: Just saying that I refuse to apologize for what I am. Three >>> things about me andthat I keep being told are wrong by those on the left. >>> I have concluded to make the kind of stand which will best defend my >>> positions while not imposing them on others. However, to directly answer >>> your question as best I can. The recent Firefox thread will contain some >>> examples of this. I’m done. >>> >>> >>> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness >>> >>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the >>> blind: >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> The constantly barefooted Ray >>> >>>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ray, >>>> Given the number of members who have left due to aspects of your >>>> signature, and your claim that members here have done what you state, >>>> asking you to apologize, can you provide specific posts and examples of >>>> those incidents? >>>> Specifically members on this list, not hypothetical generalities outside >>>> of this apple focused group. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, Raymond Foret Jr wrote: >>>> >>>>> First, If he’s got the latest version of Drop Box for Mac, it can be >>>>> found in the applications folder. Open it from there. >>>>> >>>>> Now, with respect to the public folder, that’s not how it’s done >>>>> anymore. He can just put the file he’s trying to share with you at the >>>>> route of the Drop Box folder itself and create a link directly to it from >>>>> the short cut menu. He sends you the link and off you go. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness >>>>> >>>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the >>>>> blind: >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>>> The constantly barefooted Ray >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 11:43 AM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yo everyone! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please can anyone come up with any ideas. >>>>>> My friend in Australia Chris Graham is trying to share a couple of files >>>>>> using Dropbox on the Mac. >>>>>> He has put them in the root of the public folder which he has given me >>>>>> permission to access. >>>>>> But I'm having to try and download them on the dropbox website. >>>>>> They are not showing up though. >>>>>> >>>>>> But here's the really strange thing. >>>>>> He has got the latest version of Dropbox for Mac. >>>>>> He can't find it in his applications folder, nor is the Dropbox icon >>>>>> showing up in the menu extra thing where your battery and things like >>>>>> that is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone got any ideas on how he can sort this out? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses. >>>>>> Gary Price >>>>>> Sent from my 13 inch Mac book pro. >>>>>> >>>>>> This address is for personal contact: >>>>>> garypric...@icloud.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: >>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/gazwprice >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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