Hi, It sounds like your issues may be slightly different from mine. It should make no difference whether your keyboard is set to British or American English. I’m not sure what else to suggest, though, hopefully someone else can help. Good luck! Donna
Sent from my iPad > On Nov 17, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Stan ZA <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi 1&All, > Thanks Donna, if I understand you correctly, I find my input is “British > english", but changing to “American english” still makes no difference, to > the keyboard. > I am thus an old dog learning new tricks, using “quickNav” when navigating,, > I have found by turning “QN” off I can then interact with the items in the > list [eg. mailboxes or messages], and then turning “QN” back on I can move > around the window. It seams to speed up navigation this way. > Thanks again, and yes I will revisit your solution again. > > Cheers. > Stan ZA > [email protected] > > > > > On 16 Nov 2020, at 15:10, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I don’t know if you’ve seen my last message on this, but in my case, it turn > out that my keyboard input had been changed to Unicode, and that was what was > causing my problem. I can only speculate that somehow it got changed during > the update, process, though I’ve never seen that happen before. At any rate, > changing the keyboard input back—to US in my case—fixed my issue. To check > this, press VO-M twice to bring up the extras menu. For me, keyboard input is > the second to last item on the right. VO should announce the current input > setting. To change it, press VO-space, and you should see other options. > HTH, > Donna > P.S. Some of this may be different in Catalina. I’m still running Mohave. > > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:41 AM, Stan ZA <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> Hi 1&All, >> I too, am having problems with the keyboard, with focus, VO and navigation, >> on my MBP 13inch [mid 2012] running OS CATALINA 15.7, after the last update. >> Try as I may, with my little knowledge, I am no fundi or expert with >> computers, but I feel the problem may well be something to do with all the >> new keyboard shortcuts that have just been introduced, but perhaps someone >> out there can help. >> I am only able to use my MBP, using a 17 year old USB keyboard, it shows nun >> of the problems, that the build in keyboard. >> I hope “Apple” sorts things out soon. >> Cheers. >> Stan ZA >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> On 14 Nov 2020, at 23:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi, Brad, >> >> Keyboard commander is disabled, but still no joy. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> >>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Brad Snyder <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I suggest tht you turn off Keyboard commander and see if these issues go >>> away. >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> >>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 13:34, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Pete, >>> >>> I do have keyboard commander enabled, and have tried both option keys. >>> These commands are not keyboard commander commands, I think they are >>> standard Mac commands. >>> >>> The other thing I just figured out is that entering accented letters with >>> Option key no longer works. This is potentially serious, as I write a lot >>> in Spanish. :( >>> >>> I didn't upgrade to Big Sur yet, but I'm thinking about it in the hope >>> that it fixes the issue. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Pete De Vasto <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Donna, >>>> >>>> Have you tried both the right and left option keys? And do you have >>>> Keyboard Commander enabled? I may be off track here, but in VO Utilities, >>>> under Commanders, with Keyboard Commander enabled, you get to choose which >>>> option key is used for what you want to do. Maybe you had this set up in >>>> Keyboard Commander, and if you just upgraded your computer I’m wondering >>>> if something may have gotten lost. Just a thought. >>>> >>>> Pete De Vasto >>>> >>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:02 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Nope, that doesn't work either. this is so strange. And it doesn't look >>>>> like the key is broken, because I can use it for other things like VO >>>>> commands. >>>>> cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Brad Snyder <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Try using Option + Left/Right arrow keys along with the Shift key to >>>>>> highlight text. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Brad - >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, this is weird. Option plus left-right arrow does work when reading >>>>>> text, but not when editing. So, it worked just fine when I was reading >>>>>> your message, but is not working as I type my reply. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Brad Snyder <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have never used CTRL + Backspace to delete words, but find that using >>>>>>> Option + Backspace will do this. >>>>>>> I have always used Option + Left/Right arrow keys to navigate by single >>>>>>> words, and find that this still works, though navigation behavior is >>>>>>> not the same in all applications. >>>>>>> I am running macOS Catalina 10.15.7, with all current updates >>>>>>> installed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Brad - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:48, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Slight correction. Option key does work, Control does not. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Donna Goodin <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yesterday I was prompted to install software updates. Since then, I >>>>>>>> can no longer use CTRL-backspace to delete words, nor can I use Option >>>>>>>> Backspace to navigate by word. The Control and option keys do work >>>>>>>> for everything else. Were these keystrokes removed? I'm finding >>>>>>>> navigating and editing text very painstaking without them. I have >>>>>>>> rebooted my mac several times, but that has not fixed the issue. 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