Well, that’s your choice. For what it’s worth, I’ve had no problems using Siri to send texts or make calls. The only thing I have not been able to do is send an email, but I don’t usually use Siri for that, so I haven’t tried that hard to figure it out.
My only point was that by its very nature, technology changes. Any time there’s a major upgrade to the OS, be it iOs, Mac, Windows, Android, most users will love some of the changes and hate others. Cheers, Donna > On Oct 3, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Rebecca Skipper <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, I do not see why we can’t keep siri features. > Customizations are not > h it to me if we can’t have a reliable experience with apps and services. > I’m waiting until 15.1. > I don’t want to risk wallet crashing or have problems using the keyboard with > my 5thGeneration iPad Mini. > > From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 1:16 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features > Used by Low Vision and Blind Users > > But, the new customization features open lots of very useful possibilities. > As you’ll recall from my other posts this week, some of them came as an > unpleasant surprise to me, but I think in the long run, the added > functionality is worth it. Should Apple avoid adding new functionality to > the phone just so they can keep it dumbed down? My answer to that is no, > even if it means that the iPhone isn’t for everyone. After all, most devices > aren’t for everyone. > Cheers, > Donna > > >> On Oct 3, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Rebecca Skipper <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I hope you are right, but if so, then the iPhone would be less accessible to >> people new to smart phones. >> My respect for Apple’s commitment to accessibility has been tarnished by >> these changes because accessibility goes beyond blindness. >> I want the iPhone to do well, but it should be as easy to use as possible, >> and removing features is right the opposite. >> >> From: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn >> Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 11:45 AM >> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features >> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users >> >> I think some of this is that with IOS 15 the shortcuts functionality is >> being used instead of hard coding items into SIRI. The problem with this if >> I am correct, i is that it requires more customization by each user, but >> could mean it is easier to use an alternative client with Siri. >> Kinda like how when you ask SIRI to play "All Star" it asks which app should >> I use. >> Perhaps VoiceMail / last call will work that way too. >> >> Just conjecture. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jonathan Cohn >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:08, Rebecca Skipper <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, until IOS15 Siri had to go to the cloud to get info so I believe >>> privacy compromises were made there to. >>> I wonder if the ability to use Siri offline means that certain features >>> were removed. >>> This just occurred to me. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 11:05 AM >>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features >>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users >>> >>> One thing to keep in mind, though, Rebecca, is that some of us choose not >>> to use Alexa or Google for privacy reasons. If that’s the case for his >>> clients, your solution would not work. >>> Donna >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:55 AM, Rebecca Skipper <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I understand where you are coming from, but would it be possible to use >>>> the double tap feature to open up something like Alexa or the Google >>>> Assistant to carry out certain commands and teach this to clients as a >>>> backup to Siri? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]><[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:53 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail >>>> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users >>>> >>>> I also prefer to use a keyboard as well. I only use Siri for the most >>>> simple of tasks such as a fast way to open an application or using it on >>>> the Apple watch to get my location if I realized I passed a street I was >>>> supposed to cross. So I'm not a Siri expert by any stretch of the >>>> imagination. >>>> Having said that, I agree these features need to be available for a >>>> demographic that need them. >>>> >>>> I really enjoy this discussion. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Rebecca Skipper <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate your perspective, and I prefer to use a keyboard over touch >>>>> screen when I can. >>>>> The population of people you work with who depend on these features are >>>>> the ones being impacted by this. >>>>> Apple is not sending a good message here. >>>>> Siri has never been one of my favorite digital assistants though. >>>>> There is too much emphasis on cameras and not enough stability in >>>>> software as far as I'm concerned i.e. taking out features after >>>>> advertising them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]><[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 8:26 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail >>>>> Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users >>>>> >>>>> As the president of the CFB, I see a lot of older people who use these >>>>> features. I understand that we should all do our best to learn the iOs >>>>> interface but we also have to understand that a lot of older people just >>>>> want to get the basics done. Even accomlishing the basics on these >>>>> devices can be quite a difficult task for many users. >>>>> A prime example is writing in braille screen input′ A lot of people are >>>>> just simply not going to get that far. Even simple tasks such as learning >>>>> the concept of singgle and double tapping is a major learning curve for a >>>>> lot of this demographic >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Rebecca Skipper <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for sharing this article. >>>>>> I have mixed views on this . >>>>>> On the one hand, I think it is important to learn Apple's native user >>>>>> interface, but on the other hand it is very frustrating to lose Siri >>>>>> features that people depend on. >>>>>> Does the removal of certain Siri features impact sighted users as well >>>>>> or just the visually impaired? >>>>>> It doesn't sound like a Voiceover bug to me. >>>>>> This hurts Apple's reputation as a trend setter in accessibility. >>>>>> The good news is that if you have an Apple Homepod Mini you can still >>>>>> play voicemails. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]><[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of dan d. >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 7:46 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features >>>>>> Used by Low Vision and Blind Users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/ >>>>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ent- >>>>>> XR >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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